Yet another Cam question
I don't even know what compression is ;-) The cams are the ones that came in the bike.
The only reason I was thinking 255's was that they provide the power below 4000 rpm's.
Honestly, I don't think I"ve ever ridden the bike above 4,000 rpms.
I'll be chatting with the dealer later tonight.
Thanks,
Joe
The only reason I was thinking 255's was that they provide the power below 4000 rpm's.
Honestly, I don't think I"ve ever ridden the bike above 4,000 rpms.
I'll be chatting with the dealer later tonight.
Thanks,
Joe
SE203, SE204, Andrews 21 and Andrews 26 are all good cams for producing torque early. Some other guys have reported good results whith the HQ0034, but I've never had any experience at all with them, and can't offer an opinion. Woods 6 cams may be the current favorite for being a good all-around grind.
Of these cams, the Andrews 21 is the most similar to the SE255. It's a short duration, moderate lift cam with tight lobe centers. Go look around and you will likely find a number of dyno charts for 95" builds with these cams. If you're dreaming of the early, flat torque curve of the SE255, the Andrews 21 will likely work well for you.
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I could be wrong but I thought I had read somewhere that it can be done but the cam plate has to be changed also. It will be interesting to see what the dealer says or if Dawg will chime in.
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I was going to do the Andrews 21 cams but opted for the 26's in my 95. I was very happy.
I also did the gear drive. Me and the wife do what I call serious touring and I wanted the extra umph. This combo provided that and good gas mileage.
Since then I moved to an 08 SG and a 103. I had the heads done on the 103 by Bean and I wish I had done the heads on the 95. Bean does a great street port and it's more than reasonable.
Gary
I also did the gear drive. Me and the wife do what I call serious touring and I wanted the extra umph. This combo provided that and good gas mileage.
Since then I moved to an 08 SG and a 103. I had the heads done on the 103 by Bean and I wish I had done the heads on the 95. Bean does a great street port and it's more than reasonable.
Gary
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I have the Andrews 26Gs in an AMS 96" Big Bore (heads and cylinders). I have at least 90 ft-lbs of TQ between 2500 and 4700 RPM. (My dyno chart is in my sig.)
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Tourer
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From: Rhode Island
Update decision made
I've spent a bit of time reading your comments, viewing other threads on this topic.
I also spent over an hour talking with the tuner at my dealership and their newest service
counter help "Andy" that has built several bikes. I even spent 10 minutes on the phone
with Andrews (nice bunch of folks there, their tech gave me all the time I wanted).
Here's what I'm doing:
What I have now: 05 Ultra with 95" kit, nothing else done in the engine
(no head work etc.)
stock cams, SE Air kit, V&H Oval slip-ons. The 95" kit was put
in 2 months ago and dyno'd with the latest Race Tuner.
Decision after all input I received:
Andrews 21, didn't go with the gear drive but I"m
putting in the Screamin Eagle Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate
Up grade Kit - with the better oil pump.
New bearings
Premium Oil cooler and replacing ambient temp on console
with Oil temp gauge.
SE Premium tapered adjustable pushrods
Reduced effort clutch
dyno time
Dropped the bike off Monday night - will let you guys know how I make out.
Thanks,
Joe
I also spent over an hour talking with the tuner at my dealership and their newest service
counter help "Andy" that has built several bikes. I even spent 10 minutes on the phone
with Andrews (nice bunch of folks there, their tech gave me all the time I wanted).
Here's what I'm doing:
What I have now: 05 Ultra with 95" kit, nothing else done in the engine
(no head work etc.)
stock cams, SE Air kit, V&H Oval slip-ons. The 95" kit was put
in 2 months ago and dyno'd with the latest Race Tuner.
Decision after all input I received:
Andrews 21, didn't go with the gear drive but I"m
putting in the Screamin Eagle Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate
Up grade Kit - with the better oil pump.
New bearings
Premium Oil cooler and replacing ambient temp on console
with Oil temp gauge.
SE Premium tapered adjustable pushrods
Reduced effort clutch
dyno time
Dropped the bike off Monday night - will let you guys know how I make out.
Thanks,
Joe
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I've spent a bit of time reading your comments, viewing other threads on this topic.
I also spent over an hour talking with the tuner at my dealership and their newest service
counter help "Andy" that has built several bikes. I even spent 10 minutes on the phone
with Andrews (nice bunch of folks there, their tech gave me all the time I wanted).
Here's what I'm doing:
What I have now: 05 Ultra with 95" kit, nothing else done in the engine
(no head work etc.)
stock cams, SE Air kit, V&H Oval slip-ons. The 95" kit was put
in 2 months ago and dyno'd with the latest Race Tuner.
Decision after all input I received:
Andrews 21, didn't go with the gear drive but I"m
putting in the Screamin Eagle Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate
Up grade Kit - with the better oil pump.
New bearings
Premium Oil cooler and replacing ambient temp on console
with Oil temp gauge.
SE Premium tapered adjustable pushrods
Reduced effort clutch
dyno time
Dropped the bike off Monday night - will let you guys know how I make out.
Thanks,
Joe
I also spent over an hour talking with the tuner at my dealership and their newest service
counter help "Andy" that has built several bikes. I even spent 10 minutes on the phone
with Andrews (nice bunch of folks there, their tech gave me all the time I wanted).
Here's what I'm doing:
What I have now: 05 Ultra with 95" kit, nothing else done in the engine
(no head work etc.)
stock cams, SE Air kit, V&H Oval slip-ons. The 95" kit was put
in 2 months ago and dyno'd with the latest Race Tuner.
Decision after all input I received:
Andrews 21, didn't go with the gear drive but I"m
putting in the Screamin Eagle Hydraulic Cam Chain Tensioner Plate
Up grade Kit - with the better oil pump.
New bearings
Premium Oil cooler and replacing ambient temp on console
with Oil temp gauge.
SE Premium tapered adjustable pushrods
Reduced effort clutch
dyno time
Dropped the bike off Monday night - will let you guys know how I make out.
Thanks,
Joe
I've been thinking of this same set up.
Will be keeping an eye on this thread.
Side Note: Are H-D's 'Kompressor' Heads worth the money?
I think I can get a pair at 30% off retail.
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From: Rhode Island
Got the bike back
Finally got the bike back after all the work and new Andrews cams.
I don't really understand the dyno sheet. They gave me one that shows
what the dyno read when I had stock cams and the 95" kit. (Red lines).
72.76 HP and 82.68 Torque.
The new one is blue lines and they don't look much different at all on paper
HP is actually lower with the Andrews at 70.08 with Torque at 85.82.
But, the bike runs strong, much stronger than it did before the Andrews cams.
It pulls very well from 1800 rpms all the way as high as I took it today at around 3800 rpms. At 70mph with me and my girl on the bike total weight of around 400 lbs of us and gear twiting the throttle pulls us over 80mph must faster and easier than it ever did. I'm happy so far with it.
Joe
I don't really understand the dyno sheet. They gave me one that shows
what the dyno read when I had stock cams and the 95" kit. (Red lines).
72.76 HP and 82.68 Torque.
The new one is blue lines and they don't look much different at all on paper
HP is actually lower with the Andrews at 70.08 with Torque at 85.82.
But, the bike runs strong, much stronger than it did before the Andrews cams.
It pulls very well from 1800 rpms all the way as high as I took it today at around 3800 rpms. At 70mph with me and my girl on the bike total weight of around 400 lbs of us and gear twiting the throttle pulls us over 80mph must faster and easier than it ever did. I'm happy so far with it.
Joe
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Sounds like you made all the right upgrades to your bike for performance and reliability but I think your tuner left quite a bit on the table when he/she tuned it; I'd bet they never touched your timing tables which is a must when you change cams.
What type of tuner do you have?
What type of tuner do you have?
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Timing and such
I not sure...
The bike has a SC tuner that I purchased when I had the 95" kit put in. After that tune it was pinging a bit and they said it was because the timing was off.
After the work this time they had it on the dyno again and I was told the timing was adjusted... At least there's no sign of pinging at all.
The Dealer I was at has an entire machine shop (Precision Harley in RI) and their tuner is supposed to be very good from what other folks have told me.
I have no idea what a 95" kit with Andrews 21 can get for numbers. I'm sure if I had (I'm not sure what these key words mean but everyone has told me the same thing) If I had another company bore it, new different pistons to 95" or so, head work etc... I could have higher numbers.
There are just way too many options for a guy that doesn't understand this stuff. At this point I'm pretty darn happy with how the bike is performing over stock. I have no idea what a stock 05 Ultra is, but mine is running pretty darn good.
thanks all,
Joe
The bike has a SC tuner that I purchased when I had the 95" kit put in. After that tune it was pinging a bit and they said it was because the timing was off.
After the work this time they had it on the dyno again and I was told the timing was adjusted... At least there's no sign of pinging at all.
The Dealer I was at has an entire machine shop (Precision Harley in RI) and their tuner is supposed to be very good from what other folks have told me.
I have no idea what a 95" kit with Andrews 21 can get for numbers. I'm sure if I had (I'm not sure what these key words mean but everyone has told me the same thing) If I had another company bore it, new different pistons to 95" or so, head work etc... I could have higher numbers.
There are just way too many options for a guy that doesn't understand this stuff. At this point I'm pretty darn happy with how the bike is performing over stock. I have no idea what a stock 05 Ultra is, but mine is running pretty darn good.
thanks all,
Joe