Big Bore kit 'again'
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
Relax, I'm not taking this too hard, I'm an abusive A Hole
and have given alot worse!
I have the 7 year warrenty too. The policy is, as long as you use HD or SE parts the warrenty is not into default. If you use other than HD parts, only that part is not covered by warrenty.
All I am trying to say is don't spend a bunch of money now, and get O.K. performace, when you can get great performance for a little bit more.
and have given alot worse!I have the 7 year warrenty too. The policy is, as long as you use HD or SE parts the warrenty is not into default. If you use other than HD parts, only that part is not covered by warrenty.
All I am trying to say is don't spend a bunch of money now, and get O.K. performace, when you can get great performance for a little bit more.
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
ORIGINAL: Joe Scout
Relax, I'm not taking this too hard, I'm an abusive A Hole and have given alot worse!
I have the 7 year warrenty too. The policy is, as long as you use HD or SE parts the warrenty is not into default. If you use other than HD parts, only that part is not covered by warrenty.
All I am trying to say is don't spend a bunch of money now, and get O.K. performace, when you can get great performance for a little bit more.
Relax, I'm not taking this too hard, I'm an abusive A Hole
and have given alot worse!I have the 7 year warrenty too. The policy is, as long as you use HD or SE parts the warrenty is not into default. If you use other than HD parts, only that part is not covered by warrenty.
All I am trying to say is don't spend a bunch of money now, and get O.K. performace, when you can get great performance for a little bit more.
Glad to see you can listen to me... A Hole
. I am definitely willing to listen to others when I ask for help. Now, I have done the intake, exhaust, fuel. I am adding the big bore and change of fuel again. So the only difference we have now is porting the heads and cams?By the way I need to up date the photo of my bike. It is now an Ultra.
Ed
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
Yeah, for a great engine you don't have to replace the heads, just a polish! A remap on the ignition, and cams with a big bore kit and your bike will scream.
Let's go riding!
Let's go riding!
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
ORIGINAL: Joe Scout
Yeah, for a great engine you don't have to replace the heads, just a polish! A remap on the ignition, and cams with a big bore kit and your bike will scream.
Let's go riding!
Yeah, for a great engine you don't have to replace the heads, just a polish! A remap on the ignition, and cams with a big bore kit and your bike will scream.
Let's go riding!
Now going back to the cam thing. If I use the stock cams the torque stays low in RPM. If I increase duration and lift it will push the torque up in RPM and use more fuel. That is why I am thinking of using the stock cams. Please look at the graphs in the HD assy book for the Stage I & II big bore, the HP and TQ are higher with stock cams.[sm=icon_cheers.gif]
By the way sorry about the miscommunications about the Intake and exhaust I had already did that Stage I (that is a no brainer it has to be done before a big bore).
Ed
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
Feroce,
Sorry for my A
friend Joe, he's a self admitted one and I hope he never changes, the board would never be the same.
I can tell you one thing, listen to Joe, he's right about doing the whole package. I have a SE RK 95" with the 203 cams, and performance heads. Forget the graph's, ride a 95" stage one and then ride one with the heads and 203 or 204 cams, I can tell you what you will say about the difference, as well as Joe can. I think that's the only way you will know the difference, and like Joe said it's gotta be torn down anyway.
I plan on having my heads flowed/reworked this winter with a little bigger valves and 10.5 to 1 comp., I only have 9 to 1 comp. ratio now. I may also bump the cam to a 251, we have been tinkering with some big cams in the 103's and it's pretty impressive the rideablity and fuel mileage the strokers are getting. There is an excellent article in American Iron April 2005 called Valve springs, it covers all the valvetrain components and is a good read.
Good luck
John TN
Sorry for my A
friend Joe, he's a self admitted one and I hope he never changes, the board would never be the same. I can tell you one thing, listen to Joe, he's right about doing the whole package. I have a SE RK 95" with the 203 cams, and performance heads. Forget the graph's, ride a 95" stage one and then ride one with the heads and 203 or 204 cams, I can tell you what you will say about the difference, as well as Joe can. I think that's the only way you will know the difference, and like Joe said it's gotta be torn down anyway.
I plan on having my heads flowed/reworked this winter with a little bigger valves and 10.5 to 1 comp., I only have 9 to 1 comp. ratio now. I may also bump the cam to a 251, we have been tinkering with some big cams in the 103's and it's pretty impressive the rideablity and fuel mileage the strokers are getting. There is an excellent article in American Iron April 2005 called Valve springs, it covers all the valvetrain components and is a good read.
Good luck
John TN
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
Joe
I ask questions listen and look at data and make decisions. Here is where I am at:
Intake -- SE, done
Exhaust -- V&H, done
Big bore II kit with 204 cams next Wednesday
Thanks Joe for being an A hole
Oh, by the way the quote you never hear "You were right!".
By the way what I was looking at in the HD Assy book graphs for the Big bore II did not include the exhaust system that is why the TQ was so low with cams. With the exhaust the TQ should be around 98 to 101.
Ed[sm=alcoholic.gif]
I ask questions listen and look at data and make decisions. Here is where I am at:
Intake -- SE, done
Exhaust -- V&H, done
Big bore II kit with 204 cams next Wednesday
Thanks Joe for being an A hole
Oh, by the way the quote you never hear "You were right!".
By the way what I was looking at in the HD Assy book graphs for the Big bore II did not include the exhaust system that is why the TQ was so low with cams. With the exhaust the TQ should be around 98 to 101.
Ed[sm=alcoholic.gif]
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From: St. Johns, MI USA
RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
John
All I will be able to tell you is 'seat of the pants' because the dealer does not have a Dyno yet.
Thanks to all of ya because I would not have looked into this for the reason why the TQ was so low with cams.
Ed
All I will be able to tell you is 'seat of the pants' because the dealer does not have a Dyno yet.
Thanks to all of ya because I would not have looked into this for the reason why the TQ was so low with cams.
Ed
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
I got the bike back today and put 200 miles on it. I have a question, the right exhaust pipe V&H is very loud and a lot of airflow but the left pipe is almost cold and very little exhaust noise or airflow. I never checked my bike stock to compare. I have the stock crossover on the bike.
Don't know about power I am doing break-in now .
Ed
Don't know about power I am doing break-in now .
Ed
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RE: Big Bore kit 'again'
After I got mine back with Stage II with SE 203camsinstalled I put about 200 miles on it and my new right SEII muffler had already turned gold at the neck. I was concerned it was too lean. I still have the stock crossover too. I was told the remaps don't really work, and that I needed the SERT installed if I wanted it right. I told them to put it on, but the more I thought about it the madder I got. When I went to pick up my bike and they handed me the bill I just went off. I payed MSRP for my Ultra and immediately sprung foralmost $3000.00 in extras to get the performance that I wanted and now you tell me if I want it to run right it's $500.00 more? Well, after a heated discussion they tore up my bill and gave me the SERT. However, the map they installed on the bike was for a stock 88 with only an SE air cleaner and slip ons. With a 14.5:1 AFR in the cruise range it was way too lean. It popped a lot on deceleration and ran hot. I did my research and remapped it myself with a richer map which is supposed to be set up for my specific setup. The bike runs great now. Hindsight being what it is I wish I had got the Rinehart dual exaust too.
So I guess the moral of the story is watch your pipes and don't let it run too lean. Fresh motors should be a little on the rich side. IMHO I also recommend the SERT (I would have been happy to pay for it if I had been told I needed it up front and not had it jammed up my rear).
Steve
So I guess the moral of the story is watch your pipes and don't let it run too lean. Fresh motors should be a little on the rich side. IMHO I also recommend the SERT (I would have been happy to pay for it if I had been told I needed it up front and not had it jammed up my rear).
Steve