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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BUIZILLA
it takes 30% more wasted BTU's to PRODUCE one gallon of E10 than it's worth. If there wasn't a backend govt. subsidy to produce E10, the fuel blenders would never do it because it would be cost prohibitive
See.... now that's a reason not to like ethanol!

In my area at least, the mpg reduction between E10 and gasoline is basically wiped out by the difference in price per gallon. I don't own an E85 vehicle and have only seen one station in town selling it, but from my crude calculations the same seems to be true there as well. Price per gallon is quite a bit less, as is MPG.
 

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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 11:24 AM
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1...it's absorbs water at a much faster rate and breaks down much quicker.

2..It has alcohol in it and it separates in a short time.

3.. It cleans gunk off tank walls that would do no harm to remain on the walls....when it drops it clogs stuff up.

4.. The fuel is NO GOOD for the environment or consumer. It has no benefit on cost per mile. It makes less power and tasks more to go the same distance.

5.. It should be called Global Warming idea #2. It's a feel good thing for dummies.
For something that gets used once or twice per year I agree, these are legit concerns. For my bike that gets a fresh tank of gas every week in the summer, I don't think it's an issue.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BUIZILLA
all you guys using E10 with big cams, and compression releases, and pinging and banging engines, take note here... run a couple tanks of E90 and get back to us...
Don't do it unless you recalibrate or rejet the bike. It's asking for trouble, the stock injection system doesn't have the range of authority to compensate for a 35% increase in fuel demand. It may start and run, but it won't be anywhere close to tuned right.

You don't lose 10% fuel economy on E10, either. 5% is more realistic.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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I can still get non-ethanol in my home town. Cost a few cents more per gal..I will gladly pay the difference.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blusmbl

You don't lose 10% fuel economy on E10, either. 5% is more realistic.

Gotta jump in now. My Pontiac GP regularly got 26-27mpg before 10% ethanol was mandated in my state. It gets 20-21 mpg now which is a bit more than a 5% decrease. And I saw the same mileage reduction with my F-150. Everybody I've talked to in my state saw similar mpg reductions and are just as aggravated as I am.
While there are those that contend that ethanol saves precious fossil fuels the fact remains that if you're getting 20% less fuel mileage you're using 20% more fuel to go the same distance. Pretty difficult to save anything at that rate.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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Your results aren't typical for sure. Lab conditions, back to back, same drive cycles, 5% is normal.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by blusmbl
Your results aren't typical for sure. Lab conditions, back to back, same drive cycles, 5% is normal.
that's 100% BS, get that car out of a controlled lab, and on the street...
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blusmbl
Don't do it unless you recalibrate or rejet the bike. It's asking for trouble, the stock injection system doesn't have the range of authority to compensate for a 35% increase in fuel demand. It may start and run, but it won't be anywhere close to tuned right.
absolutely not true on E10, E85 probably, E10 no way...
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by blusmbl
For something that gets used once or twice per year I agree, these are legit concerns. For my bike that gets a fresh tank of gas every week in the summer, I don't think it's an issue.
I agree on this on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, maybe even a month, however anything over 4-6 week sit time NEEDS a fuel stabilizer
 
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by harley-jones
I can still get non-ethanol in my home town. Cost a few cents more per gal..I will gladly pay the difference.
so will I my friend, so will I... I will tonight too
 
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