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Aug 31, 2011 | 03:25 PM

#21

FenderGuy53

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Originally Posted by flgator529

I hate law suits and I detest all personal injury lawyers. I would never join it and would have no respect for anyone that does.

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Originally Posted by flgator529

the courts ruled on 08/09 that there is a heat issue with Harleys and approved a class action law suit. It does tell you there is a problem.

Hurray for the little guy! If a preponderance of the evidence can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a heat issue does exist, then those individuals who own affected touring motorcycle are rightfully entitled to restitution.

Aug 31, 2011 | 03:34 PM

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Hammerhead Pat

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Originally Posted by kyleplusitunes

there are cats in vance hines true duals, pat?

I think a lot of your heat issues would go away if you ran your bike on solar power.

Internal combustion engines are notorious for heat

Ya got me on that one

Wasn't paying attention

Aug 31, 2011 | 04:51 PM

#23

flgator529

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Originally Posted by FenderGuy53

I do not support "frivolous" or "unscrupulous" law suits of any kind, nor do I support those lawyers who perpetrate same; however, I do believe that there are ocassions when personal injury lawyers and the suits that they file are necessary to protect the rights and interests of their clients.

Hurray for the little guy! If a preponderance of the evidence can prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a heat issue does exist, then those individuals who own affected touring motorcycle are rightfully entitled to restitution.

Until the United States goes to loser pays all Personal injury law suits are frivolous or the compensation is unreasonable. There is no way that any attorney is entitled to up 70% of a settlement. There are some estimates that put 30% of our GNP is going to the legal system. Don’t think so start at the beginning of a motorcycle. The company that sells the steel for the frame has to have liability insurance on everything he owns just to sell steel. Plus an attorney on retainer. and it is the same for Every part and piece on a bike. All are more expensive because of or legal system. The OEM has to pay an unreasonable amount of liability insurance because of law suits against them from people that bought motorcycles of their own free will. Some dealers pay garage liability in excess of $300.00 per unit sold because of these law suits. How ridiculous is the system in a law suit they do not go after who is at fault if anyone is they go after who has the money. Preponderance of evidence that is a joke right? Most law suits are settled out of court for the simple reason that it would cost more to fight then it is worth even if they are not at fault. The ones that do go the court will be decided by a jury made of people that believe that they are sticking it to the man and taking from the rich and giving to the poor, because every hard working person with the ability to reason got out of jury duty. The legal system is the only profession that your competition creates your work for you. The system will never change because it is corrupt all the way to the law makes most of which are lawyers themselves. Do I have an ax to grind you dam right I do I was a motorcycle dealer for 13 years and it is a travesty what our legal system does to this industry, and our Country But as an attorney you already know all this.

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Aug 31, 2011 | 04:57 PM

#24

dnitram

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Nuts!

Aug 31, 2011 | 05:27 PM

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Sam2010

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Originally Posted by MrCarver

Hey guys, live in Tampa Bay, FL. I have a 2011 SG with stage 1 air cleaner and a PCV. This thing still feels like it runs hot as hell! I have a V&H Big Shot True Duals exhaust, any ideas? Do you think it might be a tuning issue with the PCV?

You dont have to live in Florida or Texas to have a hot bike. I have same pipes power vision 555 cams. My bike runs hot I dont think we busted over 80* ambient air temps here all year. I can tell a SMALL difference with cat gone but 90% Not even close. My bike goes in to heat management mode in traffic pretty quickly. I have heard everything from get rid of cat duh done. you got a bad tune, you dont know how to ride it, its normal, its not normal. Does anyone really know? I think we all have a opinion some more educated than others. I can live with the heat if I get over the worry of bike melting down and I find the heat management mode annoying. I had a open loop tune prepared for today to try but its only 64* here today bike stays pretty good in the low 60* air temps. DO we really know how to handle the heat demon and why some seem worse than others? is it the different perceptions of the people? I dont know.......

Aug 31, 2011 | 07:57 PM

#26

FenderGuy53

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Originally Posted by flgator529

The system will never change because it is corrupt all the way to the law makes most of which are lawyers themselves.

flgator529, if each one of us put as much energy into finding solutions as we do into complaining about the problems, then this world would be a much better place for all of us!

To say that "the system will never change" is to have no hope. I wonder where we'd be today if the colonists had no hope.

You seem to be a very nice guy, under all the bravado, and having been a business owner, you're probably a smart guy, too. Focus your energy on finding solutions. By so doing, you offer hope to those around you - and hope does great things! You can help change the world, one person at a time.

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But as an attorney you already know all this.

Gee whiz! You give me much more credit than I deserve. A long time ago, someone else said that to me. Truth be told, however, I am not an attorney.

Sep 1, 2011 | 12:13 PM

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jeffreydsilver

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From: WPB, FL

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Originally Posted by flgator529

There is no way that any attorney is entitled to up 70% of a settlement. There are some estimates that put 30% of our GNP is going to the legal system.

Up to 78% of the posted figures on this forum are wrong 92% of the time!

Sep 2, 2011 | 01:33 PM

#28

MrCarver

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UPDATE.. Well I spoke to Fuel Moto this afternoon Keith is the man! he helped me adjust some settings on the PCV, he thinks it might have been running a little lean.. he helped me richen it up a bit.. through the band and also raised the richness at idle a bit to make it run a bit better. I took it out a bit ago.. it's warm again today.. but I didnt feel it boiling between my legs today.... so... maybe we are getting somewhere..

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Sep 2, 2011 | 02:21 PM

#29

2black1s

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From: Simi Valley, CA

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Originally Posted by Sam2010

You dont have to live in Florida or Texas to have a hot bike. I have same pipes power vision 555 cams. My bike runs hot I dont think we busted over 80* ambient air temps here all year. I can tell a SMALL difference with cat gone but 90% Not even close. My bike goes in to heat management mode in traffic pretty quickly. I have heard everything from get rid of cat duh done. you got a bad tune, you dont know how to ride it, its normal, its not normal. Does anyone really know? I think we all have a opinion some more educated than others. I can live with the heat if I get over the worry of bike melting down and I find the heat management mode annoying. I had a open loop tune prepared for today to try but its only 64* here today bike stays pretty good in the low 60* air temps. DO we really know how to handle the heat demon and why some seem worse than others? is it the different perceptions of the people? I dont know.......

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Originally Posted by rooti

After you installed the PCV did you have a noticable temperature drop? If not I would at least try a few more maps or the best thing would be to have a highly recommended dyno tuner set it up for you. (I would wait until fall comes with the cooler temps before dyno tuning)

I also have a 11 dyna and it was unbelievably hot until I got the XEID's which seemed to drop the temp 25-30 degrees. (by adding more fuel) If your tuner is programmed properly it should be a better set up then what I have.

I have been riding in 105 degree weather and there is no doubt the bike gets hot, but at least I cooled it down enough so I'm not worried about frying the motor.

You could invest in an oil cooler but to me they are overpriced. If you are sitting in traffic without moving for long periods I would shut it off and restart.

If you're stuck in traffic or just cruising through the city with many stops signs and lights, my suggestion to keep the engine cooler is a "parade" fan. It really works!

I put one on my 2011 Limited shortly after getting the bike and now I never worry about the engine getting too hot. I can let it idle all day long if I want to. Since installing the fan my Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS), or what is commonly referred to as the heat management mode, has never triggered and I always have it set in the active mode.

If you're interested, check out this thread I started several months ago to see some technical performance data for the fan. https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...test-data.html