How the hell is the PV sounding good?
You got one of the best tuners in the country within a few hours of you. Get the best tuner, the TTS, and have it tuned by one of the best tuners.

 

Sorry that post was ment for the OP.

 

Damn it guys! Now you've got me lookin at the Thundermax with auto tune! Its expensive, but I like the idea of the unit constantly self adjusting! I was thinking SERT, then Powervision....now this! I'm more confused on which route to go now!

 

i have tried them all except for the master tune and the revolution performance. i think the thundermax is the way to go no more dynos i know that some tuners dont require dynos either but the thundermax is very user friendly has all the codes that go to all your sensors so u can trouble shoot any problems you may have and resolve the issues with out paying the dealer. lots of good stuff comes with this tuner and the best customer service i have dealt with in a long time. with this tuner you can be supercharged and or nitrous sorry for the book.
Rick

 

Sorry I brought it up. No seriously, my indy tech turned me on to this. He's not pushing it on me, just a suggestion. From what I'm reading this might be the way to go in terms of future expansion. MY bike is totally stock and per the manufacturer claims it's a one time deal. Anything you change from then on, it can handle it.

Heck, they even have a unit for those California emmision bikes!!!!

Man, I can't wait to hook up this laptop to my Harley and "tinker!"

Regards,
Ken

 

Me too.. First I have heard of this..
I have heard of minor nuances with it, and some have had to take it off and send it back to Rev Perf, however I heard that one member had issues with his, so Rev Perf bought a set of cams that the member had and then dialed it in, and then tweeked the members tuner and sent it back to him..

I am not into lugging around a lap top to get my ride dialed in either.
On a similar note I had a dyno-jet auto-tuner that I could not get dialed in, and was on the phone with Dynojet and a sponsor of this forum who could not get me dialed in either.. I took my bike to a dyno-er who works with Dynojet products and he said to get rid of the AT, which I did as he said that it constantly messes with your tune..so I took it off.

However his map gave me shitty MPG, so then I took it to another tuner, better MPG and more HP & TQ..
Thinkin' about maybe changing mufflers though, but don't wanna have to go through the BS of another tune, blah, blah, blah.

That's why I would go with the Rev Perf tuner, as it adjusts to your moves in theory..which to me is the best idea...yet.

 

+ one more Thundermax is the way to go.

Dyno tuner need not apply, the slight extra cost for this unit more than makes up for a Dyno! Any modifcations down the road, you are already set to go.

Care for some finer tweaking or troubleshooting? Link up a laptop in the garage and you will be amazed. Can't beat their customer support either, send your history data file to their support team at one click, they will analyze it and get back to you with a solution quick.

In my case, I had some rough idling, sent the history file. They sent me a close up photo of a little rubber cap that covers a vacuum port on top of the Throttle body, circled in red, said it was missing, and were right. It fell off. Try that with a power commander.

 

Could you explain why you feel this way?

 

Could you explain how T'Max provides "more power, better throttle response, cooler engine" than any other top-tier tuner? Given proper spark-advance and AFR placement with any given tuner, how is T'Max better?

PV, TTS, and SEPST (to name a few) can also adjust the rev limiter and idle speed. These features you site are not unique to the T'Max, and the "hugh library" doesn't hold a candle to the database available from Fuel Moto for the PCV and PV. Anyway, for an auto-tuning device using wideband O2 sensors you don't really need a spot-on map except as a starting point from which the tuner can work. T'Max has historically been more finicky about that starting point, although I don't know if current units have improved in this regard. I will say that a PCV-AT can work from any map as long as the bike will start and run with it.


You can also accomplish this with the PV w/AT Pro, PCV Auto-Tune, and one or two others--all of which are less-expensive and use the stock ECM.

 

Beware that TD's will reduce your low-end performance, all other factors being equal.

Fuel Moto's maps are derived from dyno-tunes performed on bikes with identical hardware (same year-model, AC, and exhaust) and are renowned for their accuracy. Those who say you can't get a good tune from a bike tuned in another location don't understand how the ECM works with its various input sensors. Fuel Moto also has a very large library of maps for those who choose to upgrade hardware in the future. For this reason, most will not have a need for an auto-tune feature, but if you do the PCV can be optionally fitted with the AT-100. It provides auto-tuning of AFRs throughout the operating range--i.e., setting AFRs on the fly to your specifications. I used it for two years and it worked very well for me even after two modifications.

TTS, PV, SEPST are all more advanced flash-based tuners that manipulate the ECM tables directly. They work in similar ways, but the PV comes with a LCD display unit that can show useful information while riding, like engine temperature, gas mileage (instant and average), fuel used, throttle position, and at least 20 other parameters from the ECM and PV. The unit also allows datalogging without attaching a running computer to the bike. Once datalogging is done you can create a tune using WinPV and PV Tune, which are included in the package. I've used it for about nine months now (with AT-100) and I can say that I've been able to tweak my tune very well with it. Does my bike run better than it did with the PCV-AT? Not that I can feel, but when you have an optimal tune already you won't be able to improve upon it significantly.

I've used the PCIII, PCV, PCV-AT, and now the PV. I'm happy with the PV for my present needs, but I also found the PCV to be a competent tuner, and with the right map will work as well as any of the others for most riders. For that reason I believe that a PCV from Fuel Moto, with their map installed, is the best buy for most riders at $300, and a dyno-tune will not be required in most cases. The "piggyback" functionality should not deter anyone from buying this tuner, as they've proved reliable in years of use by thousands of riders. As has already been mentioned, the ability to switch between two tunes is a valuable feature that AFAIK is only available with the PCV. Buy a simple on-off switch, mount it somewhere on the bike, and you can toggle between two maps on-the-fly. The PV can also store six tunes, but you can only switch if the bike is turned off, then with ignition on (engine off) you can flash the ECM with another tune--a 30-sec. operation.

All of the tuners discussed here are competent tools, and which is right for you depends on your needs and how much you want to tweak and interact with the tune. If you've decided that a dyno-tune is right for you, first find a competent tuner (not an easy task in most areas), then buy the tuner that he prefers to work with.