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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by angelrod
if you go 103 .. I don't think you gonna get a better fuel mileage than a 96" . 103 . passing power yes . .. but not much . 96" with mild cams. will spank a stock 103.
Not trying to start any engine wars or displacement disagreements here, but I have to say otherwise to this statement. I have a 2011 SG with the 103, my friend has a 2009 with the 96. We both have the usuals meaning A/C's, full exhausts, and tuners. He runs the Cobra FI2000 and I run the Power Vision (tuned by Fuel Moto). Only major difference is he is running Redline cams.

I can walk the dog on him just about everywhere in the RPM range. The only time he ever beats me is if we are rolling on the highway in 6th gear and roll on the throttle. His bike seems to react quicker than mine but I always end up catching him if we stay in it.

You know what they say, there is no replacement for displacement. The top drag racers ALWAYS go with bigger motors, that's for a reason.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 03:13 PM
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I have had a 103 and 96 there is very lil noticable difference you are only looking at 7cc difference...not like a HUGE BIG DIFFERENCE
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 09:45 PM
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I'm no qoute wrench but I do my own work.I just did a 107 with 54's I pushed the comp. issue a bit but all good I think if you don't get that to 10:1 or 10:2 it will be a little soft on the bottom end.what I would also consider is the new Andrews 57h do believe it has a 38deg. intake close and would work well with that stock comp 103 and you wouldn't have a problem sellin that 54h.If you want to spend a little on the heads you could get a basic port job for bout 350 or throw in a valve job with maybe a bigger valves for 5 to 6.as far as a tuner I'm gonna catch hell for this but SE race tuner or tts mastertune I think it's called.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 0ldhippie
I picked up a 49 state ’09 FLHT with 26,000 miles and want some more passing power and better fuel mileage. It was stock except for a Dobeck tuner and a bunch of holes drilled in the air filter rear cover? I added a Ness big sucker and SE Fatshots. Which helped alittle powerwise, but not fuel mileage. I picked up a 103 stage 2 kit cheap , Andrews 54h, ARCs and SE compensator I plan to have installed. Anyone run this? My Question is the heads. They will be off and apart for the ARCs so at least a lap, seals and better springs for the cam. I really don’t want to spend a lot but if some port cleaning will really help I may spring for it? I’m just not sold for my mild build? Also I would like the compression around 9.8- 10 for the cam. What needs to be done for that with the stock heads and cast flat tops? Worth it? As far as a tuner I have no clue??? I’m really guessing on everything so looking for thoughts from folks in the know. Thanks
I'm going with pretty much the same setup, the late model heads are better stock than the earlier heads & I've been told that unless you go with bigger valves the street port is only worth a couple hp at best. The stock beehive springs are adequate with the 54 cams, all I did was a multi-angle valve job with new seals, mostly because I had 47K on the bike & figured it was a good investment for longevity. The CR with the 103 cast flat tops should be right around 10.1 if you use .030 head gaskets, check the Big Boyz website for CR calculators. My goal was for a modest increase in HP & TQ without breaking the bank & I think 90+ HP & 100+ TQ should be very achievable. m My bike came with a stage 1 with a PCV so I plan on staying with that for a tuner, I'd recommend talking to Fuel Moto as far as a tuner goes, they should have a map for this type of build. Good luck, I'm looking forward to good results with this build, we should be looking at 20+ increase in HP & TQ & fuel mileage should still be somewhere in the 40s.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich67
I'm no qoute wrench but I do my own work.I just did a 107 with 54's I pushed the comp. issue a bit but all good I think if you don't get that to 10:1 or 10:2 it will be a little soft on the bottom end.what I would also consider is the new Andrews 57h do believe it has a 38deg. intake close and would work well with that stock comp 103 and you wouldn't have a problem sellin that 54h.If you want to spend a little on the heads you could get a basic port job for bout 350 or throw in a valve job with maybe a bigger valves for 5 to 6.as far as a tuner I'm gonna catch hell for this but SE race tuner or tts mastertune I think it's called.

Andrews says to stay under 10-1 and I'd like to stay there? Andrews says the cam is good from 2200-5600. That sounds perfect to me? I really don't have a problem downshifting either. The 57h isn't available til at least mid June I'm told? Lowest port job I've found around here is $500? I haven't heard anything good about the SE tuner from any of the shops around (except HD)?? Don't really like the idea replacing the whole ECU with the tts but it gets good reviews?
 
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 0ldhippie
I picked up a 49 state ’09 FLHT with 26,000 miles and want some more passing power and better fuel mileage. It was stock except for a Dobeck tuner and a bunch of holes drilled in the air filter rear cover? I added a Ness big sucker and SE Fatshots. Which helped alittle powerwise, but not fuel mileage. I picked up a 103 stage 2 kit cheap , Andrews 54h, ARCs and SE compensator I plan to have installed. Anyone run this? My Question is the heads. They will be off and apart for the ARCs so at least a lap, seals and better springs for the cam. I really don’t want to spend a lot but if some port cleaning will really help I may spring for it? I’m just not sold for my mild build? Also I would like the compression around 9.8- 10 for the cam. What needs to be done for that with the stock heads and cast flat tops? Worth it? As far as a tuner I have no clue??? I’m really guessing on everything so looking for thoughts from folks in the know. Thanks
you might have a problem. the cams you are going to use are .062 lift and your behive springs I think are only good for .060 lift.....double check that I could be wrong....I had to check for my 257 cams..my behive springs supported the 257 cams and thats about it. One of the quick and dirty opportunities for a 103 build is to not use the flat top pistons and instead use tub'ed high compression pistons. Especially with you cams....I'm thinking your cams need more compression than the flat tops can give you.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 12:02 AM
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The Andrews 54s have .555 lift, fine with stock springs & recommended 9.8-10.2 CR. Why do you answer a ? you have no knowledge of??
 
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 0ldhippie
Andrews says to stay under 10-1 and I'd like to stay there? Andrews says the cam is good from 2200-5600. That sounds perfect to me? I really don't have a problem downshifting either. The 57h isn't available til at least mid June I'm told? Lowest port job I've found around here is $500? I haven't heard anything good about the SE tuner from any of the shops around (except HD)?? Don't really like the idea replacing the whole ECU with the tts but it gets good reviews?
Call Gary Russell direct at Andrews and talk to him about cams. The 54H does very well at 10.2:1. I'm running that cam at 103"/84.5cc chambers/.030 hg and it tunes nicely. I agree that it could be a bit soft under 10:1 but not terrible. As far as a tuning device, the SEPST/TTS are only as good as the person who tunes it. The TTS may be more user friendly but are you going to tune it? Both the SEPST/TTS use your existing ECU. Check with tuners in your area and get references. The best tuner may very well be at your local H-D shop (mine is) and they can do excellent tunes to your street bike ...
 

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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 06:37 PM
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Have run Andrews cams before in both 96" and 103", the 54H in the 103" with stock heads and gaskets ran great with PC-V and auto tune, the 96" ran great with the 21H and same tuner. May not be the fastest but mileage was still within 42 mpg and pulled hard. Don't expect 50 mpg unless you are on a test track for EPA.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by troop
Call Gary Russell direct at Andrews and talk to him about cams. The 54H does very well at 10.2:1. I'm running that cam at 103"/84.5cc chambers/.030 hg and it tunes nicely. I agree that it could be a bit soft under 10:1 but not terrible. As far as a tuning device, the SEPST/TTS are only as good as the person who tunes it. The TTS may be more user friendly but are you going to tune it? Both the SEPST/TTS use your existing ECU. Check with tuners in your area and get references. The best tuner may very well be at your local H-D shop (mine is) and they can do excellent tunes to your street bike ...
Don't know if I can get to 10.2 with the cast flat tops? I got confused between the TTS and Thundermax. Talked to the 2 tuners around I'd use and one likes tts, other PC? Shop without dyno uses PC other Shop says Thundermax? All say SEPTS is proprietary, overpriced, limited? It looks to me the PC vision offers features of both PC and TTS plus auto Tune??? I do like the auto tune Idea mostly because there seems to be few good tuners out there, or so I hear. I also don't like unhooking the O2s? Never getting into closed loop doesn't make sense to me?
 
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