race tuner ??
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race tuner ??
Have a 04 Ultra with stage 1 and Rinehart 2to1 exhaust, seems to run hot and lean. The dealership says if I put the race tuner in it will help. Why shouldn't the stage 1 download work.
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It's runing hot because it's running lean.
The way it was explained to me was that the stage 1 download just raises the RPM limits.
I did the download on my 04 and since have ended up having to buy and install the race tuner.
Don't waste your money on the download. If I would have listened, I could have saved the 150 bucks on the download.
Ride Safe,
Vettster
The way it was explained to me was that the stage 1 download just raises the RPM limits.
I did the download on my 04 and since have ended up having to buy and install the race tuner.
Don't waste your money on the download. If I would have listened, I could have saved the 150 bucks on the download.
Ride Safe,
Vettster
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Have a 04 Ultra with stage 1 and Rinehart 2to1 exhaust, seems to run hot and lean. The dealership says if I put the race tuner in it will help. Why shouldn't the stage 1 download work.
Have a 04 Ultra with stage 1 and Rinehart 2to1 exhaust, seems to run hot and lean. The dealership says if I put the race tuner in it will help. Why shouldn't the stage 1 download work.
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IsPCIII USBthe way to go vs SERT? I have read and read and read till I am blue in the face the SERT once used is vehicle specific isn't it? I am planning on rinehart true duals, stage 1 air cleaner and thus far planned on PCIII USB. Is this ok on RKC? Thanks
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ORIGINAL: 98rdking
IsPCIII USBthe way to go vs SERT? I have read and read and read till I am blue in the face the SERT once used is vehicle specific isn't it? I am planning on rinehart true duals, stage 1 air cleaner and thus far planned on PCIII USB. Is this ok on RKC? Thanks
IsPCIII USBthe way to go vs SERT? I have read and read and read till I am blue in the face the SERT once used is vehicle specific isn't it? I am planning on rinehart true duals, stage 1 air cleaner and thus far planned on PCIII USB. Is this ok on RKC? Thanks
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Don't listen to these guys and their EPA stuff. The 2006-2007 stage 1 downloads are epa legal so in that sense they are true. First lets look at the stage 1 download. The download corrects fuel timing and raises rev-limit. They are SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED for Screamin' Eagle slip-on exhaust and a Screamin" Eagle hi-flow air cleaner. In 2006 the exhaust and air cleaner elements have changed, so has the download. The more restrictive slip-on requires less fuel and timing changes. The 07 Download is pretty much useless, As is the slip-on's and paper element. The 04 system has no 02 sensor or anything for that matter to monitor what is exiting your exhaust pipe. It thinks you have a restrictive slip-on, and stock head pipes. The dealer should have never even recommended it. A PCUSB or Race Tuner is a must with true duals. Your bike is running lean because you now have a high flow exhaust system and air cleaner and not enough mid range fuel corrections.
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The Harley download has not been a good option since 05. If you search and read some of the complaints about the new 06's (last year) you will see what I mean. The download is EPA compliant, which means your bike is still going to run lean. I prefer the SERT over the PCIII. The PCIII installs on your bike and if it goes out (like mine did a couple of years ago) you lose the ability to change your ECM and it goes back to stock. The SERT is basically a customized download (map) that you can change and adjust every time you upgrade your bike. Here is a good article to read to help you understand how the two work. https://www.hdforums.com/m_181817/tm.htm
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ORIGINAL: Terry1955
The Harley download has not been a good option since 05. If you search and read some of the complaints about the new 06's (last year) you will see what I mean. The download is EPA compliant, which means your bike is still going to run lean. I prefer the SERT over the PCIII. The PCIII installs on your bike and if it goes out (like mine did a couple of years ago) you lose the ability to change your ECM and it goes back to stock. The SERT is basically a customized download (map) that you can change and adjust every time you upgrade your bike. Here is a good article to read to help you understand how the two work. https://www.hdforums.com/m_181817/tm.htm
The Harley download has not been a good option since 05. If you search and read some of the complaints about the new 06's (last year) you will see what I mean. The download is EPA compliant, which means your bike is still going to run lean. I prefer the SERT over the PCIII. The PCIII installs on your bike and if it goes out (like mine did a couple of years ago) you lose the ability to change your ECM and it goes back to stock. The SERT is basically a customized download (map) that you can change and adjust every time you upgrade your bike. Here is a good article to read to help you understand how the two work. https://www.hdforums.com/m_181817/tm.htm
Get the Sert and get it dynoed. You need this.
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That was a good old post. Thanks! I continue to be frustrated that with carbys, I could do and had to do every kind of roadside and shop repair of them and it all made sense. I feel stupid when it comes to how to work on or tune FIs.
ORIGINAL: Terry1955
The Harley download has not been a good option since 05. If you search and read some of the complaints about the new 06's (last year) you will see what I mean. The download is EPA compliant, which means your bike is still going to run lean. I prefer the SERT over the PCIII. The PCIII installs on your bike and if it goes out (like mine did a couple of years ago) you lose the ability to change your ECM and it goes back to stock. The SERT is basically a customized download (map) that you can change and adjust every time you upgrade your bike. Here is a good article to read to help you understand how the two work. https://www.hdforums.com/m_181817/tm.htm
The Harley download has not been a good option since 05. If you search and read some of the complaints about the new 06's (last year) you will see what I mean. The download is EPA compliant, which means your bike is still going to run lean. I prefer the SERT over the PCIII. The PCIII installs on your bike and if it goes out (like mine did a couple of years ago) you lose the ability to change your ECM and it goes back to stock. The SERT is basically a customized download (map) that you can change and adjust every time you upgrade your bike. Here is a good article to read to help you understand how the two work. https://www.hdforums.com/m_181817/tm.htm