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Old May 9, 2014 | 10:11 PM
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Swing arm bikes are wishy washy, you want a real true track, ride a rigid.
 
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Old May 9, 2014 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by motolocopat
Me thinks it is that I try to take a corner that is posted as 50 at 75 and you are taking it at 55. Or a broad sweeper that is designed for a 65mph speed limit I like to take at 85-90mph... In other words my bet is you ride granny style ... and nothing wrong with that...
You may have me there. I don't ride what I'd consider "granny style" (although you're entitled to your opinion), but anything 20+ mph over the speed limit in Virginia is a mandatory reckless driving charge which is a criminal offense (misdemeanor) not just a traffic offense, requires a mandatory court appearance and carries potential jail time. At the very least it's a huge fine, I think 5 points on the license and court costs. So you're right, I don't push the limits as far as you claim to. As a rule, I ride 10-15 over whatever the speed limit is. Sweepers at 80-85 don't generate any hint of a wobble on my bike. Maybe 95 would. I've had the bike in the high 90's but only passing, not in a sustained sweeper. If I get out west with higher speed limits I'll see if I experience a wobble in sweepers at that speed. But there are very few speed limits over 70 here on the east coast.

But if you read back over this thread, there are many claiming wobble at much lower speeds. Those are the ones I think are attributable to poor maintenance, bad tires and/or inflation or bad riding skills. I'm sure you'll grant that there are a lot of folks on heavyweight bikes that have no idea what they're doing in taking care of and riding their machines. I don't know if it was this thread or one of countless other wobble threads, but there was one guy who said he had the problem only to discover his rear tire was 10-15 pounds under pressure.

I respect your 40 years of riding, which certainly suggests you know what you're doing. But I've got you by 5 years. I started riding in 1969. So perhaps I've earned a little credibility too.

In any event, ride safe. If you think your bike has a problem, I respect that. Fix it. I don't think mine does. Some day it may prove me wrong. But I doubt it.

The reason for my post, to which you apparently took offense, was that the guy said he had the same bike as I do, had experienced no wobble but nevertheless "fixed it." That struck me funny. (If he fixes everything he reads somebody complaining about on the forum, regardless of whether he experienced the issue, he'll go broke!) But that may just be my perverse sense of humor.

Ride safe (says one old fart to another).
 
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Old May 10, 2014 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by grbrown
I've studied the history of rubber mount patents and several of the bike manufacturers have successfully applied for them, including Honda, Kawasaki, BMW and Moto Guzzi, so this is a widely interesting subject! At the root of a rubber-mounted engine in a motorcycle is maintaining the drive line from trans to rear wheel. That cannot be achieved in a satisfactory way unless the rear wheel is attached, via the swingarm, to the transmission.

Harley is the only firm who use the Touring and Dyna systems, although there are others. The Harley way is the correct way, the most feasible way, no matter what those with no engineering experience may think. I can expand on that if required! See my link in post #2 for more on wobble and the Harley rubber-mount system.
Thanks for all the explanations!! I read about Pucks somewhere, I think they are a Solid Plastic engine and Transmission mount Replacement pack... have you heard of these and if so, where can I get a set? I would rather just replace the Rubber Mounts with Hard Plastic mounts, less added nuts, bolts & brackets to the bike. I have no problem with extra vibration, I actually like the vibration, sets Harley apart from the others. Thanks.
 
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Old May 10, 2014 | 12:08 PM
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Fair enough, lets just call if granny driving imposed by the state of Virginia. I'm sure that is not what Patrick Henry had in mind when he wanted liberty or death! More likely Liberty to ride the speed he wanted and death if he exceeded a reasonable speed for the conditions.
I also found the fact that he applied the fix as a preemptive measure a bit unusual but it does give him some sort of bragging rights I suppose. What did irk me a little was actually your post previous in general which suggested that none of the wobbles are true or the results of poor maintenance of riding techniques. I would absolutely agree that those are contributory in many instances but certainly not all and it has certainly been by experience that it is just part of the "HD Experience". In some ways it is beneficial as I have explained to the "Ducatistis" that I can go just as fast on my Harley as I do on my Ducati. They ask how can that be and I explain that Speed is more of sensation than anything and I can get that same "Sense of Speed" at a lower speed on the Harleys in the same corner than I do on my Euro bikes.

I don't think that there is necessarily anything wrong with either of my HD's in the sense that I have parts worn out or misadjusted. Could the design be improved? I think it has been shown that it can by the success of the aftermarket parts which are available.

As motorcyclists in South America say "Uno Moto Abrazo"
 
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Old May 10, 2014 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TKDKurt
I ride 10-15 over whatever the speed limit is.

If I get out west with higher speed limits I'll see if I experience a wobble in sweepers at that speed. But there are very few speed limits over 70 here on the east coast.
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Exactly you live on the east coast and like you I never experienced any hint of wobble when I lived on Kauai. But here 15 over here puts you at 90 mph around a sweeper. If you're willing to risk a bigger ticket it's easy to be running closer to 95, a true 95 not the optimistic speedometer reading.

It's been mentioned by most that 99% of time there is no wobble, but combine speed a small dip in the road or other factors that might upset the suspension and you might experience it. After reading your other post on the subject there's no convincing you anyway.
 
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Old May 10, 2014 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by riderboy1961
Thanks for all the explanations!! I read about Pucks somewhere, I think they are a Solid Plastic engine and Transmission mount Replacement pack... have you heard of these and if so, where can I get a set? I would rather just replace the Rubber Mounts with Hard Plastic mounts, less added nuts, bolts & brackets to the bike. I have no problem with extra vibration, I actually like the vibration, sets Harley apart from the others. Thanks.
There are at least a dozen brands of device that claim to fix the 'wobble'. They vary in the approach they use, but I haven't tried them all and can't recommend any other than True-Track, who provide the solution that Harley originally designed, which is why I chose and recommend them.
 

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Old May 19, 2014 | 08:08 PM
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What's the best place to buy a True-Track rear stabilizer?
 
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Old May 20, 2014 | 02:26 AM
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What's the best place to buy a True-Track rear stabilizer?
I don't imagine these things are made by the truck load, so are unlikely to be discounted in every corner store! Visit their website to see if they have any dealers. If you call them you might get lucky and get an HDF member discount, but I'm not sure if they still do that.
 
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Old May 20, 2014 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sanman4ever
What's the best place to buy a True-Track rear stabilizer?
Check ebay and used parts on the motorcycle forums. I bought mine on this forum for less than half retail. Complete with box and instructions.
Many take them off when selling their bikes.
 
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Old May 20, 2014 | 11:27 AM
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Check ebay and used parts on the motorcycle forums. I bought mine on this forum for less than half retail. Complete with box and instructions.
Many take them off when selling their bikes.
Also be aware that another company is selling kits with the same name, which is confusing!
 
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