buying from feul moto would i need to install wide band o2 sensors? i just don't know if this is a worthwhile purchase without the sensors. your opinions would be appreciated

 

no, for the most part. I will be"flamed" for my next comments, but "oh well". I took the tact of buying the PV and learning how to use it and it's features and not depend on someone to send me maps. It is a software tuner that will flash your ECM based on what you tell it. I spent $395 to my door. Used Dynojet's baseline maps and used the basic autotune SW provided in this awesome tuner. Might be a couple HSP laying around, but bet most wouldn't be able to tell.

To each is own and I have been an independent SOB all my life. So if your considering the PV, consider spending a few hours of your time to learn the features (not really difficult). Yes, someone handing you maps is a great convenience, but it is not the only answer and 5 to 1, you will want to run basic autotune anyway.

Again, sure to PO alot of folks with this, but all the $100's add up and for me I like to know "what and why".

 

hey thanks sc48. that was probably sound advice because even though i don't have dyno experience, i've done quite a bit of seat of the pants tuning on carb bikes for 35 yrs. guess I better get the tech going.

 

I haven't always lived in Arizona. I lived in SE Texas for 25 years. In 2000 I was at Baytown watching drag races and I saw an 88ci Dyna turn a 12.4 quarter. After talking to the owner for a while he finally let it be known that Lozano Bros. had done the heads. Since then they have done several sets of heads for me. Mike has told me that he thinks the PV is the optimum tuner and that he has a shop license for it. If I still lived in Texas he would be tuning my bike.

 

Like what was said above, the majority of PV users are not using the WB O2 sensors. I think most PV users are happy with the tune they get just using the stock NB O2 sensors, but it is kinda neat knowing that later on when you have money burning a hole in your pocket, you could upgrade to the WB sensors and have a more powerful tool to fine tune your fuel map especially in the areas outside of cruise.

 

I just called Lozano Bros and I was told they don't dynotune Motorcycles... Did I ask the wrong question?

 

That has been my game plan and why I went with the PV. For me there was value in buying it from Fuel Moto, I now have access to FM and Dynojet for maps and or advice.
I wasn't interested in dyno tuning for the stage 1 I have done, I suspect a canned map from FM will be plenty close if wanna add the mild SE255 cams sitting on my shelf. When I do a 103/107 kit, I have the option of tuning a FM base map via datalog, adding the autotune option, or having it dyno tuned. I like how much flexability the PV offers, and being new to tuners, I especially like how user friendly it is.

 

Maybe. I know they build motorcycles and that they have the license to use the PV as a tuner. I would talk to Mike Lozano. I'm pretty sure that he will flash your ecm with the PV and tune the bike. I don't know if he will tune it if it already has the PV installed.

 

You wouldn't be able to tune the bike yourself without O2 sensors, and since your bike has none you have two options:

• Buy the PV with the AT-100 kit ($300 extra), which would allow you to tune the bike yourself with the included wideband O2 sensors. The downside to this option is that you'd need to install 18mm bungs on your pipes, which would require removal and welding. I've been using this setup now for two years and can attest that it does work well, but it is not a cheap alternative.
  
  
• Buy the PV from Fuel Moto and run the tune they provide with the package.
  
  
• Buy a PCV from Fuel Moto, which will also include a map for your setup. This will save you $200 over the PV, and although it doesn't allow quite the array of adjustments and settings available with the PV by manipulating ECM tables and values it will work well and is plug and play.