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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 12:44 PM
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Sounds good. I've never done them either, but I'm in Oxford, so if you want a helper, or a second hand I'd be willing to stop over. Anyway, thanks

So those Hartland tools look good? I was wondering about them. I also want to press the bearings in, not tap them.
Heartland tools look real good. I will keep you posted. Should be done by the weekend. Oxford about an hour from me. Im near the airport north of Hartford. Glad to help if I can.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 01:59 PM
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I installed the woods 555 in my 07 ultra without removing the oil pump. Worked just fine and had no issues except 1 new lifter was collapsed. Cam works great.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 02:10 PM
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FYI, went to Auto Zone, Uncle Visa for deposit, return tool get deposit back.
I only need bearing puller. Tap in new ones, its a Harley.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 02:12 PM
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it takes literally five min to align the pump. then u can also inspect the pump for any wear.

every set of cams i have done i always align the pump.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 12hdrk
I am just beginning my tw-555 cam install on 2012 RKC and as I usually do, begin overthinking it all.
Over-thinking is better than under-thinking. I had it all laid out, step by step. Each part was laid down in sequential order and labeled, and I had the service manual sections on cam changing practically memorized. Get it together and take your time. You can do it.

I have seen the FM, S&S and other late twin cam replacements and they never remove the oil pump from the cam plate. I was not planning on it either, so my question is do I need to perform any "alignment" procedure for the oil pump.
Some like to change the oil-pump o-ring but I didn't. I followed the procedure in the manual by unbolting the pump from the cam plate and leaving it suspended in the cam chest, thus re-using the big o-ring. I followed the alignment procedure outlined in the manual which involves spinning the rear wheel while torquing the pump bolts, and this takes only a short time without an alignment tool.

As a side note, make sure you are very careful installing the cam chains, as even though the alignment procedure is forthright people manage to screw it up all the time, even seasoned pros, just by being unattentive. If you install new lifters, which probably isn't necessary, use a common oil gun to prime them prior to installing. Just squirt oil in either hole 'til it comes out of the other one.
 

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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 03:10 PM
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What motor do you have and what cams did you install?
Andrews 48's in a 2011 96".
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 12hdrk
Thanks. Got the bearing remover and installer tools am I'm a pretty good wrench. I'm not intimidated by too much as long as I can buy the tools and parts I need. Still cheaper than having someone else do it and you know it was done correctly.
First off, the oil pump alignment is super easy. I removed everything just to see how it all worked (a habit that I picked up when working on airplanes that I just cant shake) and I cant remember anything standing out that was difficult, so I guess putting it all back together and getting it lined up was not an issue. Secondly, There is no need to replace the inner cam bearings on newer TC motors (96 ci and up). That is just a common practice that everyone does because it was such a high fail point on the older motors. I didnt replace mine, have had the cam chest out twice (for various performance reasons) with the most recent remove/install and had no signs of wear (that was at 10k miles). Before I did my cam swap, I was on the fence on whether to replace or not and FM, Woods, and a few other shops (both local and long distance) said that they have not seen any newer TC bikes (96ci and higher) with cam bearing failures. Someone mentioned it above about getting the repair manual. Well, that was the best $48 I ever spent on my bike and the value I have gained from it is priceless. That would also be my advice to you. Follow that manual to a tee. Dont cut corners, and make sure you take your time. Only thing I didnt do was a break in. But hell, at the time, my bike only had 251 miles on it and I didnt do a "break in" with it then. I have been riding the **** outta my bike since it left the showroom floor and it has been rock solid (knock on wood) for 12k miles and counting. Good luck with your adventure and have fun when its done. Hope I was able to help.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Eshaw301
First off, the oil pump alignment is super easy. I removed everything just to see how it all worked (a habit that I picked up when working on airplanes that I just cant shake) and I cant remember anything standing out that was difficult, so I guess putting it all back together and getting it lined up was not an issue. Secondly, There is no need to replace the inner cam bearings on newer TC motors (96 ci and up). That is just a common practice that everyone does because it was such a high fail point on the older motors. I didnt replace mine, have had the cam chest out twice (for various performance reasons) with the most recent remove/install and had no signs of wear (that was at 10k miles). Before I did my cam swap, I was on the fence on whether to replace or not and FM, Woods, and a few other shops (both local and long distance) said that they have not seen any newer TC bikes (96ci and higher) with cam bearing failures. Someone mentioned it above about getting the repair manual. Well, that was the best $48 I ever spent on my bike and the value I have gained from it is priceless. That would also be my advice to you. Follow that manual to a tee. Dont cut corners, and make sure you take your time. Only thing I didnt do was a break in. But hell, at the time, my bike only had 251 miles on it and I didnt do a "break in" with it then. I have been riding the **** outta my bike since it left the showroom floor and it has been rock solid (knock on wood) for 12k miles and counting. Good luck with your adventure and have fun when its done. Hope I was able to help.
If your bike only had 251 miles on it when you changed cams than I guess I could see why you didn't change bearings but if one has many more miles on his engine he might be further ahead to change them out,it's really not that hard to do.
 
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Originally Posted by mphayes
FYI, went to Auto Zone, Uncle Visa for deposit, return tool get deposit back.
I only need bearing puller. Tap in new ones, its a Harley.
It's an expensive vehicle and I treat it as such. I'm glad it worked out for you. I won't take the chance of dinging the housing and reducing the service life.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 12hdrk
It's an expensive vehicle and I treat it as such. I'm glad it worked out for you. I won't take the chance of dinging the housing and reducing the service life.
I'm with you on this I won't even tap in a wheel bearing let alone cam bearings. If the op lived near me I'd let him borrow all the tools he needs. I think he will do just fine if he leaves the hammers in the box imho
 
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