mid year release for new RG
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Notice the RPMs, that is why they don't make good cruiser engines. RPMs above 3000 cause a lot fatigue. Propeller airplanes typically cruise below 2300 RPMs. Most family cars cruise around the same. The Goldwing makes good power too, but the number one change request by GW owners is adding another gear to lower cruise RPMs.
It's entertaining to watch the desperation of folks who want a liquid cooled Harley touring bike.
Beary
It's entertaining to watch the desperation of folks who want a liquid cooled Harley touring bike.
Beary
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Notice the RPMs, that is why they don't make good cruiser engines. RPMs above 3000 cause a lot fatigue. Propeller airplanes typically cruise below 2300 RPMs. Most family cars cruise around the same. The Goldwing makes good power too, but the number one change request by GW owners is adding another gear to lower cruise RPMs.
It's entertaining to watch the desperation of folks who want a liquid cooled Harley touring bike.
Beary
It's entertaining to watch the desperation of folks who want a liquid cooled Harley touring bike.
Beary
I guess people think that on the LEFT side of the graph (hidden) the engine must go from 0 - 5000 rpm making 0 HP and 0 Torque. If you look you can see that at like 5000 RPM this engine is making more HP/TQ than most Twincams. Only difference is that it doesn't stop at 5000 RPM. It keeps going, and going, and going....
I guess some people don't want that, and that is "Entertaining"...
lp
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Guess you didn't catch it. This is the RIGHT side of the graph. You know where no Air cooled twincam has ever been.
I guess people think that on the LEFT side of the graph (hidden) the engine must go from 0 - 5000 rpm making 0 HP and 0 Torque. If you look you can see that at like 5000 RPM this engine is making more HP/TQ than most Twincams. Only difference is that it doesn't stop at 5000 RPM. It keeps going, and going, and going....
I guess some people don't want that, and that is "Entertaining"...
lp
I guess people think that on the LEFT side of the graph (hidden) the engine must go from 0 - 5000 rpm making 0 HP and 0 Torque. If you look you can see that at like 5000 RPM this engine is making more HP/TQ than most Twincams. Only difference is that it doesn't stop at 5000 RPM. It keeps going, and going, and going....
I guess some people don't want that, and that is "Entertaining"...
lp
Nothing changes. It's just not the right engine. Get the right tool for the right job. If the aircooled Vtwin doesn't do it for you, get a Honda.
Beary
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Again, the engine can be modifed. You won't see THIS engine in a fully watercooled touring bike but I bet you'll see some derivitive of it. You want low end torque? Put a cam in for that. Havent we all been told that Cam specs (and other things) is what targets where the HP and TQ go? You can have it all up front and low or at the backend and high but not both. This particular engine is tuned for up high but could easily be modified to be a low end grunt monster.
Anyway...
lp
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That's kinda a BS statement. Get a honda? We just talking here or just insulting? I mean if you want insults I can start in on you if you think that's fun.
Again, the engine can be modifed. You won't see THIS engine in a fully watercooled touring bike but I bet you'll see some derivitive of it. You want low end torque? Put a cam in for that. Havent we all been told that Cam specs (and other things) is what targets where the HP and TQ go? You can have it all up front and low or at the backend and high but not both. This particular engine is tuned for up high but could easily be modified to be a low end grunt monster.
Anyway...
lp
Again, the engine can be modifed. You won't see THIS engine in a fully watercooled touring bike but I bet you'll see some derivitive of it. You want low end torque? Put a cam in for that. Havent we all been told that Cam specs (and other things) is what targets where the HP and TQ go? You can have it all up front and low or at the backend and high but not both. This particular engine is tuned for up high but could easily be modified to be a low end grunt monster.
Anyway...
lp
Second, yes you could turn the engine into a torque monster, but at the very best, it is a waste because it will only use a small part of the touring power range. I imagine the cost to get the engine there would raise the bike cost considerably. And why, what is the gain? A liquid cooled Touring Harley.
It's funny, in a different discussion, a poster said the only reason Harley is successful is because of the Harley culture. WELL DUH. The Harley culture is a notalgic aircooled Vtwin grunt machine. You think that culture will follow Gold Wing look-a-likes? Come on, right tool for the right job man.
Beary
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....would LOVE to see a stock mini-van, or pickup truck beat my "muscle car"..they'll have to do better than 11.2 seconds in the 1/4....or faster than 0-60 in 3.9...some of you guys are hilarious...you REALLY would rather have a mini van, over a 70 Hemi Roadrunner?...or an LS6 Chevelle?....some of you guys crack me up!
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First off, how would suggesting a different bike be an insult. I personally don't get why folks want to change the Harley into something its not when there are great performing cheaper options out there. No, it was not meant to be an insult.
Second, yes you could turn the engine into a torque monster, but at the very best, it is a waste because it will only use a small part of the touring power range. I imagine the cost to get the engine there would raise the bike cost considerably. And why, what is the gain? A liquid cooled Touring Harley.
It's funny, in a different discussion, a poster said the only reason Harley is successful is because of the Harley culture. WELL DUH. The Harley culture is a notalgic aircooled Vtwin grunt machine. You think that culture will follow Gold Wing look-a-likes? Come on, right tool for the right job man.
Beary
Second, yes you could turn the engine into a torque monster, but at the very best, it is a waste because it will only use a small part of the touring power range. I imagine the cost to get the engine there would raise the bike cost considerably. And why, what is the gain? A liquid cooled Touring Harley.
It's funny, in a different discussion, a poster said the only reason Harley is successful is because of the Harley culture. WELL DUH. The Harley culture is a notalgic aircooled Vtwin grunt machine. You think that culture will follow Gold Wing look-a-likes? Come on, right tool for the right job man.
Beary
Regardless it's just a discussion (VRod engine) and I appreciate your opinion.
Tradition, Yes, it's definitely the thing that drives Harley's success; can't argue that. However there is always room for something a little different for those that want it. AND it's obvious that Harley is listening aka watercooled heads on OH MY, a few "Harley Touring bikes" this year. Who knew?
I would never recommend that the MOCO turn every Touring bike in the line into a Watercooled beast. That would be suicide. However, I would like to see a model or two and since we are on Road Glide thread, yeah, a Road glide would be cool to see.
You know the MOCO is probably not going to go far from where they've already been (if anywhere) so a completely new engine prob is not in the works. Maybe a modified VRod engine... which is what we are talking about. Could happen. I dunno...
Gonna be interesting though. The VRod engine only gets like 25 MPG. Tradition or not, you know people ain't going for that! lol
lp
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....would LOVE to see a stock mini-van, or pickup truck beat my "muscle car"..they'll have to do better than 11.2 seconds in the 1/4....or faster than 0-60 in 3.9...some of you guys are hilarious...you REALLY would rather have a mini van, over a 70 Hemi Roadrunner?...or an LS6 Chevelle?....some of you guys crack me up!
AND...it's water cooled! This is an HD forum....we don't like water cooled things here.
Nice Chevelle BTW
Last edited by equandt; Nov 21, 2013 at 04:13 PM.
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It's hard to make a Fugly, Fuglier...LOL...All kidding aside, it is a true touring machine and most that buy it buy it because it is different...If i buy anothe rtouring bike it will be the RGU or limited but i have a feeling my next new bike will be a trike...
