Information about Power Vision please
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Road Master
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From: Emmett, Idaho
Information about Power Vision please
2006 Ultra Classic
I currently run a PCIII and it works just fine. At some point it might fail however and it sounds as if Power Vision would be a great replacement tune.
Then, I read on the Power Vision website that with the appropriate license, people who own the Power Vision can tune multiple cycles which got me to thinking: do some Indy shops offer to tune with the Power Vision (since the unit does not need to remain on the cycle)?
I don't need or want the Power Vision on my cycle. I am not ****-compulsive about tweaking that which already works well. The existing tune on my bike is good.
Another question is: since I like the current PCIII tune, if the PCIII goes bad is the current tune lost? Since I am the second owner of this cycle, I know most if not all of the modifications done previously. Is this sufficient if I must begin again by inputting all pertinent modifications? OR, will the Power Vision be able to detect whatever modification inputs are required?
That's several questions, but I trust someone here will know the answers.
Thank you.
I currently run a PCIII and it works just fine. At some point it might fail however and it sounds as if Power Vision would be a great replacement tune.
Then, I read on the Power Vision website that with the appropriate license, people who own the Power Vision can tune multiple cycles which got me to thinking: do some Indy shops offer to tune with the Power Vision (since the unit does not need to remain on the cycle)?
I don't need or want the Power Vision on my cycle. I am not ****-compulsive about tweaking that which already works well. The existing tune on my bike is good.
Another question is: since I like the current PCIII tune, if the PCIII goes bad is the current tune lost? Since I am the second owner of this cycle, I know most if not all of the modifications done previously. Is this sufficient if I must begin again by inputting all pertinent modifications? OR, will the Power Vision be able to detect whatever modification inputs are required?
That's several questions, but I trust someone here will know the answers.
Thank you.
Road Warrior
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From: Monroe, Louisiana
I will try and answer your questions. You can save the map from your current PCIII to your computer and will have it. The PCIII can be imported into a PCV and the PCV can be imported into the POwer Vision. You can find shops with multi licenses. Have no idea how much they charge. Individuals can buy and additional licenses for $199 if you know someone who has PV and is willing to help you out.
Since you are not ****-compulsive you probably will be happy to keep your current PCIII and not need a better riding bike.
With any of the flash tuners you don't have to know any changes that have been made to the ECM as they re flash all of that. The Add on tuners like the PCIII and PCV do need to have that info available unless dynoed.
If you loose your current PCIII about your only solution if you don't have the map saved to computer is to have it dynoed if you put another PCIII or PCV on it.
That is a very nice setup you have. Makes lots of folks pay attention I bet.
Since you are not ****-compulsive you probably will be happy to keep your current PCIII and not need a better riding bike.
With any of the flash tuners you don't have to know any changes that have been made to the ECM as they re flash all of that. The Add on tuners like the PCIII and PCV do need to have that info available unless dynoed.
If you loose your current PCIII about your only solution if you don't have the map saved to computer is to have it dynoed if you put another PCIII or PCV on it.
That is a very nice setup you have. Makes lots of folks pay attention I bet.
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From: nnnnnn
I am currently Running the Power Vision on my 2014 SG. It is a little more than the average Joe needs. The basic autotune does little to correct the maps. The Power Vision really needs the autotune kit with the wide band O2 sensor to work properly. Your stock O2 sensors will report to the PV but are monitoring such a small window of information it does little to "auto correct". I know with the PV once the bike is flashed, it is flashed. nothing will fail or go bad with the map that was installed. I cannot speak for other Dynojet products. I do know that if you make changes to your bike, pipes stage upgrades etc. you will need to remap the bike but other wise , to my knowledge, you should not need to make changes.
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From: nnnnnn
I know there is a misconception being spread by dealerships that you need a power commander. All you need is a way to flash the new map to correct the fuel being delivered to the injectors at any given point. For the money I spent on the PV I really wish I had just paid the Dealership to dyno and tune my bike. Again I am speaking for the 14 model. I doubt the 06 is any different but maybe the older CPU is not capable of being remapped and does require an external device to keep these changes in place. Maybe some one else can answer that question.
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From: eastern mi
I know there is a misconception being spread by dealerships that you need a power commander. All you need is a way to flash the new map to correct the fuel being delivered to the injectors at any given point. For the money I spent on the PV I really wish I had just paid the Dealership to dyno and tune my bike. Again I am speaking for the 14 model. I doubt the 06 is any different but maybe the older CPU is not capable of being remapped and does require an external device to keep these changes in place. Maybe some one else can answer that question.
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From: anacoco, la
I know there is a misconception being spread by dealerships that you need a power commander. All you need is a way to flash the new map to correct the fuel being delivered to the injectors at any given point. For the money I spent on the PV I really wish I had just paid the Dealership to dyno and tune my bike. Again I am speaking for the 14 model. I doubt the 06 is any different but maybe the older CPU is not capable of being remapped and does require an external device to keep these changes in place. Maybe some one else can answer that question.
the older ecms are able to be flashed just as the new one. only back then the device they used to flash it with was called a 'sert' (screamin eagle race tuner). now the company that developed that unit is on their own with the tts, and someone else makes the hd unit.
and you are mistaken about the auto tune basic on the pv being basically worthless. sure, it isn't going to be as broad a tune as the auto tune pro, but you are still going to be able to effect a good portion of your map.
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From: nnnnnn
Very true on that last point. Of I had purchased Vance and Hines or some other big manufacturer of pipes I would have been more than satisfied with a premade map from some one like Fuel Moto. It worked great on my Deluxe. I unfortunately chose a lesser known brand that most Dynojet retailers are unlikely to have created a map for. I opted for the PV. In my situation it was a mistake the tune is still not perfect.
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Very true on that last point. Of I had purchased Vance and Hines or some other big manufacturer of pipes I would have been more than satisfied with a premade map from some one like Fuel Moto. It worked great on my Deluxe. I unfortunately chose a lesser known brand that most Dynojet retailers are unlikely to have created a map for. I opted for the PV. In my situation it was a mistake the tune is still not perfect.
Unless the OP adds O2 sensors to his bike (which is doable, I added them to my '05), he's not going to have the level of feedback required to self-tune with a PV (or TTS, or any other flash tuner). IIRC, the parts for the upgrade are around $130.
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From: nnnnnn
I have wrestled with this. I even sent a copy of my tune Dynojet. They were extremely helpful but they kind of hit a dead end with my tune eventually telling me " you can add more fuel" to correct a dull red glow of my pipes when idling that can only be seen in complete darkness. I added more fuel where they suggested and the performance suffered adding backfires to deceleration. Long story to say the least.
Last edited by jbone14; Mar 5, 2014 at 05:07 PM.