Oil pump trashed again?!?!??!?!?!
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If I remember correctly you need a special tool for this It is the tappet block alignment stud tool gizzy and is about 6 bucks. You use a couple of them and while the bike is in 5th gear you rotate the wheel while tightening in small increments until tight.
On my old 04 I used 4 of them the dealer mechanic loaned me ! Previous to doing this I had a lot of blowby and after had almost none.
On my old 04 I used 4 of them the dealer mechanic loaned me ! Previous to doing this I had a lot of blowby and after had almost none.
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From: San Jose
At this point, if it were me, I would clean (free of oil)the oil pump housing rotors and cam plate face. Then cover every surface of those parts (only the part of the cam plate where the oil pump rides) in felt pen ink.
Then reassemble with final torque. now rotate wheel several times and disassemble and inspect.
Then reassemble with final torque. now rotate wheel several times and disassemble and inspect.
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, unless he` gonna re-do the case for Timken bearings, etc. anyway.
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If I remember correctly you need a special tool for this It is the tappet block alignment stud tool gizzy and is about 6 bucks. You use a couple of them and while the bike is in 5th gear you rotate the wheel while tightening in small increments until tight.
On my old 04 I used 4 of them the dealer mechanic loaned me ! Previous to doing this I had a lot of blowby and after had almost none.
On my old 04 I used 4 of them the dealer mechanic loaned me ! Previous to doing this I had a lot of blowby and after had almost none.
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Cruiser
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From: Papillion, NE
oil pump
THANKS ALL ONCE AGAIN!
Cam plate was replaced when I switched from stock oil pump (that broke) to the "heavy duty" Screaming Eagle oil pump.....
So I'm feeling safe with a .005 crank run out. The oil pump housing is not beat up so should only need the pump gears.....
Will share the installation information provided Ultra...MANY THANKS!
Will get back on the road come hell or high water before the weekend.....
Thanks again!
Cam plate was replaced when I switched from stock oil pump (that broke) to the "heavy duty" Screaming Eagle oil pump.....
So I'm feeling safe with a .005 crank run out. The oil pump housing is not beat up so should only need the pump gears.....
Will share the installation information provided Ultra...MANY THANKS!
Will get back on the road come hell or high water before the weekend.....
Thanks again!
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Cruiser
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From: Papillion, NE
oil pump
OK....after a chat with the powers to be back in Milwaukee.... .005 is perfectly fine on crank run out. They had no history of a similar problem of breaking oil pumps when crank run out is within specs....their thinking is a small piece from the original stock oil pump gear that broke into several pieces was missed when the new S/E oil pump was installed, recirculated and caused the failure. Course...since it was not a part failure...but outside issues (piece floating around) that caused the issue....new pump has no warranty.
I changed the oil right before taking it out the day that it went....nothing on plug and nothing in oil...but I guess there's a billion places it could have been hiding.
Just still seems incredibly odd that both pumps took a &*^&^ starting when hot. Actually I guess I'm not sure if they are breaking when shutting off or when starting....
Since only happening since cams installed and dyno'd...good friend that is an auto mechanic hypothesized that with the increased compression on the compression stroke...when the bike is shut off...the motor is "kicking back" a bit and that "shock" from the pump going from one direction to the other might be causing it.
Seems to me if that was the case anyone that increased compression through any methodology would experience the same issues....and too many bikes out there that are cranked up.
Gonna slap new pump gears in...make sure UltraNutz instructions are followed for installation (were supposed to have been last time) and change the oil and hope for the best.
Gonna buy an extra set of pump gears....and throw a few tools in the saddlebags....not an easy side of the road fix....but better than being potentially stranded again....figure I can pick up oil to refill it on the road in a pinch...
Thanks again to all that shared info and insight.
I changed the oil right before taking it out the day that it went....nothing on plug and nothing in oil...but I guess there's a billion places it could have been hiding.
Just still seems incredibly odd that both pumps took a &*^&^ starting when hot. Actually I guess I'm not sure if they are breaking when shutting off or when starting....
Since only happening since cams installed and dyno'd...good friend that is an auto mechanic hypothesized that with the increased compression on the compression stroke...when the bike is shut off...the motor is "kicking back" a bit and that "shock" from the pump going from one direction to the other might be causing it.
Seems to me if that was the case anyone that increased compression through any methodology would experience the same issues....and too many bikes out there that are cranked up.
Gonna slap new pump gears in...make sure UltraNutz instructions are followed for installation (were supposed to have been last time) and change the oil and hope for the best.
Gonna buy an extra set of pump gears....and throw a few tools in the saddlebags....not an easy side of the road fix....but better than being potentially stranded again....figure I can pick up oil to refill it on the road in a pinch...
Thanks again to all that shared info and insight.
OK....after a chat with the powers to be back in Milwaukee.... .005 is perfectly fine on crank run out. They had no history of a similar problem of breaking oil pumps when crank run out is within specs....their thinking is a small piece from the original stock oil pump gear that broke into several pieces was missed when the new S/E oil pump was installed, recirculated and caused the failure. Course...since it was not a part failure...but outside issues (piece floating around) that caused the issue....new pump has no warranty.
I changed the oil right before taking it out the day that it went....nothing on plug and nothing in oil...but I guess there's a billion places it could have been hiding.
Just still seems incredibly odd that both pumps took a &*^&^ starting when hot. Actually I guess I'm not sure if they are breaking when shutting off or when starting....
Since only happening since cams installed and dyno'd...good friend that is an auto mechanic hypothesized that with the increased compression on the compression stroke...when the bike is shut off...the motor is "kicking back" a bit and that "shock" from the pump going from one direction to the other might be causing it.
Seems to me if that was the case anyone that increased compression through any methodology would experience the same issues....and too many bikes out there that are cranked up.
Gonna slap new pump gears in...make sure UltraNutz instructions are followed for installation (were supposed to have been last time) and change the oil and hope for the best.
Gonna buy an extra set of pump gears....and throw a few tools in the saddlebags....not an easy side of the road fix....but better than being potentially stranded again....figure I can pick up oil to refill it on the road in a pinch...
Thanks again to all that shared info and insight.
I changed the oil right before taking it out the day that it went....nothing on plug and nothing in oil...but I guess there's a billion places it could have been hiding.
Just still seems incredibly odd that both pumps took a &*^&^ starting when hot. Actually I guess I'm not sure if they are breaking when shutting off or when starting....
Since only happening since cams installed and dyno'd...good friend that is an auto mechanic hypothesized that with the increased compression on the compression stroke...when the bike is shut off...the motor is "kicking back" a bit and that "shock" from the pump going from one direction to the other might be causing it.
Seems to me if that was the case anyone that increased compression through any methodology would experience the same issues....and too many bikes out there that are cranked up.
Gonna slap new pump gears in...make sure UltraNutz instructions are followed for installation (were supposed to have been last time) and change the oil and hope for the best.
Gonna buy an extra set of pump gears....and throw a few tools in the saddlebags....not an easy side of the road fix....but better than being potentially stranded again....figure I can pick up oil to refill it on the road in a pinch...
Thanks again to all that shared info and insight.
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I think you still have fragments in there. When something gre ades you have to tear everything down to be sure and get it all or you will be plagued with issues forever. You may get lucky but those odds are against it.
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Just saying.
