255 cam decision help\opinion
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Road Captain
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From: Central Texas
According to dealer it was rear cam and associated parts.
Here is what $404.96 got me (thanks to ESP)
17369-06 Gasket Service kit
34901-07 Gasket Primary Cover
42200064a Kit Compensator
1.13hrs Labor
17045-99d Cam Service Gasket
18538-99c Roller Tappet
25355-06a Plate Assy Cam Support
25590-07a Camshaft Assy Rear
26037-06 Oil Pump Assy
5.38hrs Labor
25282-11 Kit Cam Plate Support W\Hi-
25355-06a Plate Assy Cam Support
25566-06 Sprocket Retention Kit
25590-07a Camshaft Assy Rear
25638-07 SE 255 Cam Kit
25928-06 TC96 Spacer Kit
26037-06 Oil Pump Assy
1hr Labor
That is receipt breakdown there is adding and subtracting for warranty parts\upgrade parts.
Clif
Clif
2012 FLHTCU
98% two up, wife sold her bike and went back to pax.
Clif
Thanks everyone else for advice\info went with what dealer had so that I could get bike back sonner than 10days. Not saying it is best choice but after reading all this and talking to Doc I'm happy with 255's. Need to fine tune with my TTS but could definetly feel a difference on 100 mile trip home from dealer.
Clif
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I have a 2012 FLHTCU 103ci
According to dealer it was rear cam and associated parts.
Here is what $404.96 got me (thanks to ESP)
17369-06 Gasket Service kit
34901-07 Gasket Primary Cover
42200064a Kit Compensator
1.13hrs Labor
17045-99d Cam Service Gasket
18538-99c Roller Tappet
25355-06a Plate Assy Cam Support
25590-07a Camshaft Assy Rear
26037-06 Oil Pump Assy
5.38hrs Labor
25282-11 Kit Cam Plate Support W\Hi-
25355-06a Plate Assy Cam Support
25566-06 Sprocket Retention Kit
25590-07a Camshaft Assy Rear
25638-07 SE 255 Cam Kit
25928-06 TC96 Spacer Kit
26037-06 Oil Pump Assy
1hr Labor
That is receipt breakdown there is adding and subtracting for warranty parts\upgrade parts.
Clif
According to dealer it was rear cam and associated parts.
Here is what $404.96 got me (thanks to ESP)
17369-06 Gasket Service kit
34901-07 Gasket Primary Cover
42200064a Kit Compensator
1.13hrs Labor
17045-99d Cam Service Gasket
18538-99c Roller Tappet
25355-06a Plate Assy Cam Support
25590-07a Camshaft Assy Rear
26037-06 Oil Pump Assy
5.38hrs Labor
25282-11 Kit Cam Plate Support W\Hi-
25355-06a Plate Assy Cam Support
25566-06 Sprocket Retention Kit
25590-07a Camshaft Assy Rear
25638-07 SE 255 Cam Kit
25928-06 TC96 Spacer Kit
26037-06 Oil Pump Assy
1hr Labor
That is receipt breakdown there is adding and subtracting for warranty parts\upgrade parts.
Clif
I'll have to assume that when your cam was damaged, it took out the cam plate, otherwise, there would be no reason to add a new one.
Also, the 2012s have a good oil pump, not sure why you would need to add a new one, again, unless it was damaged.
Even if a new oil pump was needed, I thought the 25282-11 cam plate came with a Hi-Po oil pump, so why an additional 26037-06 oil pump was added I'd have to ask.
These are just questions that popped into my head as I read the parts list. Although I know of a couple top notch dealers, I've dealt with several bottom dwelling dealers and always distrust them until they prove me otherwise.
I have 255s in my '12 Limited and they are a good cam for touring. I had them installed for a cross country trip, and wanted to keep the warranty in tact for the trip.
Now that warranty is over, I will be installing a different cam, not a radical cam, just that I believe there are better choices.
In any case, $400 to have an upgraded cam chest with new cams is a pretty good deal!
Good luck with the repaired bike and enjoy!!
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Road Captain
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From: Central Texas
Your parts list raised a few questions in my mind. Thought I'd share my skepticism with you.....
A I'll have to assume that when your cam was damaged, it took out the cam plate, otherwise, there would be no reason to add a new one.
B Also, the 2012s have a good oil pump, not sure why you would need to add a new one, again, unless it was damaged.
C Even if a new oil pump was needed, I thought the 25282-11 cam plate came with a Hi-Po oil pump, so why an additional 26037-06 oil pump was added I'd have to ask.
These are just questions that popped into my head as I read the parts list. Although I know of a couple top notch dealers, I've dealt with several bottom dwelling dealers and always distrust them until they prove me otherwise.
I have 255s in my '12 Limited and they are a good cam for touring. I had them installed for a cross country trip, and wanted to keep the warranty in tact for the trip.
Now that warranty is over, I will be installing a different cam, not a radical cam, just that I believe there are better choices.
In any case, $400 to have an upgraded cam chest with new cams is a pretty good deal!
Good luck with the repaired bike and enjoy!!
A I'll have to assume that when your cam was damaged, it took out the cam plate, otherwise, there would be no reason to add a new one.
B Also, the 2012s have a good oil pump, not sure why you would need to add a new one, again, unless it was damaged.
C Even if a new oil pump was needed, I thought the 25282-11 cam plate came with a Hi-Po oil pump, so why an additional 26037-06 oil pump was added I'd have to ask.
These are just questions that popped into my head as I read the parts list. Although I know of a couple top notch dealers, I've dealt with several bottom dwelling dealers and always distrust them until they prove me otherwise.
I have 255s in my '12 Limited and they are a good cam for touring. I had them installed for a cross country trip, and wanted to keep the warranty in tact for the trip.
Now that warranty is over, I will be installing a different cam, not a radical cam, just that I believe there are better choices.
In any case, $400 to have an upgraded cam chest with new cams is a pretty good deal!
Good luck with the repaired bike and enjoy!!
B: Oil pump was replaced with Hi-Volume pump that came in kit. Better pressure they said plus being in kit makes since IMO to replace old one even if exact same pump.
C: Correct. List was a list of parts from 4 page receipt, some parts were what they gave me credit for on replacement parts, some were new parts covered under warranty. They even subtracted the worth of the bad rear cam from the 255 cam kit only charging me for front cam.
I will tell you generally I am not a fan of dealers because of money based intentions but they seemed to do work and me right this time.
Clif
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A: That is my understanding, there were several damaged parts not just the cam.
B: Oil pump was replaced with Hi-Volume pump that came in kit. Better pressure they said plus being in kit makes since IMO to replace old one even if exact same pump.
C: Correct. List was a list of parts from 4 page receipt, some parts were what they gave me credit for on replacement parts, some were new parts covered under warranty. They even subtracted the worth of the bad rear cam from the 255 cam kit only charging me for front cam.
I will tell you generally I am not a fan of dealers because of money based intentions but they seemed to do work and me right this time.
Clif
B: Oil pump was replaced with Hi-Volume pump that came in kit. Better pressure they said plus being in kit makes since IMO to replace old one even if exact same pump.
C: Correct. List was a list of parts from 4 page receipt, some parts were what they gave me credit for on replacement parts, some were new parts covered under warranty. They even subtracted the worth of the bad rear cam from the 255 cam kit only charging me for front cam.
I will tell you generally I am not a fan of dealers because of money based intentions but they seemed to do work and me right this time.
Clif
Enjoy!
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, I only just started looking at Dyno charts, but according to this chart, the 254 cam is below both the 255 and the 204 until about 5000 rpms in both HP and Torque.
Can someone please explain why most folks here are saying the 254 is better? Just trying to learn something here.
Thanks!
Can someone please explain why most folks here are saying the 254 is better? Just trying to learn something here.
Thanks!
A lot is going on in an engine that these charts can't show. It can get extremely complicated. That's why you can't just cafeteria the whole thing and expect good results. For example: the SE255 does produce a lot of torque, but only in the power stroke. It now has to pay the price for that power by closing the intake valve early and compressing a big gulp of air at a low rpm. That work uses some of the power it just generated. The SE254 also produces a lot of torque (10 ft lbs less than the SE255) but will have less work to do during the compression stroke at low rpms. Bottom line is that a heavy bike will like the 255 and a lighter bike will like the 254.
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With all this additional power being available by changing cams, why does Harley choose to use the one that is stock inside their production engines.
In other words, what is the down side to using the higher power producing cams that keeps Harley from putting them in stock?
In other words, what is the down side to using the higher power producing cams that keeps Harley from putting them in stock?
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I wouldnt go so far as to call it obsolete. The 255 is a torque cam plain and simple. To this day, there is not a bolt in cam on the market that makes more torque at a lower rpm than the 255. If there is one, and its an apples to apples comparison (same motor, mods, etc.) I havent seen it. You ask any reputable engine builder, cam manufacturer, supplier, etc. and they will confirm this without a shadow of a doubt. From idle to 4000 rpm, the 255 cant be touched as a bolt in cam on a stock or stage I motor. There may be more choices, but none of them offer the low down torque that the 255 offers.
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I wouldnt go so far as to call it obsolete. The 255 is a torque cam plain and simple. To this day, there is not a bolt in cam on the market that makes more torque at a lower rpm than the 255. If there is one, and its an apples to apples comparison (same motor, mods, etc.) I havent seen it. You ask any reputable engine builder, cam manufacturer, supplier, etc. and they will confirm this without a shadow of a doubt. From idle to 4000 rpm, the 255 cant be touched as a bolt in cam on a stock or stage I motor. There may be more choices, but none of them offer the low down torque that the 255 offers.
Love the low end torque of the SE255's.
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With all this additional power being available by changing cams, why does Harley choose to use the one that is stock inside their production engines.
In other words, what is the down side to using the higher power producing cams that keeps Harley from putting them in stock?
In other words, what is the down side to using the higher power producing cams that keeps Harley from putting them in stock?
The downside is that HD has to follow the dictates and demands of the EPA or be forced to go out of business.