Stage 1 worthwhile on High-output models?
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Stage 1 worthwhile on High-output models?
Hi Guys
I have a 2014 Road King 103 with the high-output engine, I have replaced the stock slip on's with Screaming Eagle Street Cannons.
The bike really goes and sounds excellent, but I am wondering if there is any power gains to be made by doing a stage 1.
Is there any benefit to replace the stock air filter with a K&N filter?
I am under the impression that the stock air filter on the high-output models are already high flow air filters, thus no gain in air flow by fitting a K&N.
Comments and advice please
I have a 2014 Road King 103 with the high-output engine, I have replaced the stock slip on's with Screaming Eagle Street Cannons.
The bike really goes and sounds excellent, but I am wondering if there is any power gains to be made by doing a stage 1.
Is there any benefit to replace the stock air filter with a K&N filter?
I am under the impression that the stock air filter on the high-output models are already high flow air filters, thus no gain in air flow by fitting a K&N.
Comments and advice please
I believe it is absolutely worth it.
When you do a true stage 1, you are not just getting slip ons and a filter.
A true stage 1, you're also getting a tune. There are as many opinions as there are members here, but MY humble recommendation is to go with a flash tuner.
My setup is SE AC with a K&N element, RUSH True Duals, Big Louie 4" cans with 2.5" baffles, and a PV2.
There is definitely a difference from stock. To quantify that, I have not had it on a dyno.
When you do a true stage 1, you are not just getting slip ons and a filter.
A true stage 1, you're also getting a tune. There are as many opinions as there are members here, but MY humble recommendation is to go with a flash tuner.
My setup is SE AC with a K&N element, RUSH True Duals, Big Louie 4" cans with 2.5" baffles, and a PV2.
There is definitely a difference from stock. To quantify that, I have not had it on a dyno.
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I believe it is absolutely worth it.
When you do a true stage 1, you are not just getting slip ons and a filter.
A true stage 1, you're also getting a tune. There are as many opinions as there are members here, but MY humble recommendation is to go with a flash tuner.
My setup is SE AC with a K&N element, RUSH True Duals, Big Louie 4" cans with 2.5" baffles, and a PV2.
There is definitely a difference from stock. To quantify that, I have not had it on a dyno.
When you do a true stage 1, you are not just getting slip ons and a filter.
A true stage 1, you're also getting a tune. There are as many opinions as there are members here, but MY humble recommendation is to go with a flash tuner.
My setup is SE AC with a K&N element, RUSH True Duals, Big Louie 4" cans with 2.5" baffles, and a PV2.
There is definitely a difference from stock. To quantify that, I have not had it on a dyno.
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I gained around 11 ft/lbs tq and 10 hp across the rev range with a 2-1 supermeg and big sucker. Tuned with Powervision.
I'll finalize the tune soon and post results. Probably get a little more.
Dropped about 15-20 degrees on engine temps also.
Very noticeable!
I'll finalize the tune soon and post results. Probably get a little more.
Dropped about 15-20 degrees on engine temps also.
Very noticeable!
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Ben- I started with the street cannons and sound was good, slight seat of the pants better pull and great mileage. More than enough power and sound for me. Perfect, but I had decel pop, idle shake (normal but annoying) and a slight surge in the low throttle settings around town. Annoying enough to move to HD stage one air filter and dealer download. Improved but not eliminated.
For a new bike I didn't think (especially the surging) that was ok - So I went with a V&H FP3 tuner. I am sure any of the tuners would be an equivalent for results, but I wanted it to keep it simple but effective. After a couple of auto tuning runs, Pop is gone along with the surge. Idle shake is substantially reduced. AND mileage did not change. 43 -44 around town and 49 to 51 over the road.
As for power, I am sure the numbers did not go down / up ? probably - but for me they were fine pure stock. Drivability and comfort -- much more better with these changes.
Pass with care! -- Tom
For a new bike I didn't think (especially the surging) that was ok - So I went with a V&H FP3 tuner. I am sure any of the tuners would be an equivalent for results, but I wanted it to keep it simple but effective. After a couple of auto tuning runs, Pop is gone along with the surge. Idle shake is substantially reduced. AND mileage did not change. 43 -44 around town and 49 to 51 over the road.
As for power, I am sure the numbers did not go down / up ? probably - but for me they were fine pure stock. Drivability and comfort -- much more better with these changes.
Pass with care! -- Tom
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I believe it is absolutely worth it.
When you do a true stage 1, you are not just getting slip ons and a filter.
A true stage 1, you're also getting a tune. There are as many opinions as there are members here, but MY humble recommendation is to go with a flash tuner.
My setup is SE AC with a K&N element, RUSH True Duals, Big Louie 4" cans with 2.5" baffles, and a PV2.
There is definitely a difference from stock. To quantify that, I have not had it on a dyno.
When you do a true stage 1, you are not just getting slip ons and a filter.
A true stage 1, you're also getting a tune. There are as many opinions as there are members here, but MY humble recommendation is to go with a flash tuner.
My setup is SE AC with a K&N element, RUSH True Duals, Big Louie 4" cans with 2.5" baffles, and a PV2.
There is definitely a difference from stock. To quantify that, I have not had it on a dyno.
Based on what SafetyMan stated I think I will go that route but have a question
My plan is to get the following
- Jackpot 2-1-2 SS Headpipe
- Rineheart 4" slip ons
- PV 2
The question is on the intake side, I really like the stock air cleaner cover and was wondering if the stock intake has enough flow, if not was looking at the SE Heavy Breather
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From: Lafayette La
Really like the stage 1 upgrade. The rineharts are high quality and look good, the high flow filter works well but I should have gotten the black or Crome backing plate (painted mine black), V&H will advise you what map and you can auto tune if you want but there map is great. See the pic of the invoice, good pricing, there on eBay, I called them and he made me a sweet deal. You won't be disappointed with the performance or milage.
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From: CT
I kept the stock cover and have the A/N big sucker on. It is an option.