Missed that part about "marketing" eh?

Here some more marketing directly from HD's website:

Mostly... that's a load of ****. You want to buy it - perhaps its just easier than stressing some brain cells - then go for it.

 

I have lots of things worth stressing my brain over. This is not one of them.

There is a big difference between marketing, utter fabrication and plain lying your *** off. Are you lumping this product in with ***** enlargement pills? Are you saying Jamie is putting his reputation as a H-D master tech on the line by selling snake oil?

Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Especially since you have a similar device on your ride.

Are you saying:
1) it is an empty box that does nothing at all?
2) It is not an empty box that does nothing at all?
3) It is not an empty box that decreases performance?
4) it is not an empty box that may increase performance, but in your opinion is not worth the money?

At the end of the day it's $330 to not half-*** a very significant investment in time, money and fun.

FWIW, my local tech was not pushing this device. He would much prefer to put an FP3 on this build. But he realizes that the warranty is worth something and H-D is scanning ECMs looking for non-compliant mods. They have to.

As far as the exhaust, I think I'm going with the Rineharts and keeping my stock mufflers as an insurance policy in case I need to put them back before activating the warranty.

 

Well here is one way of looking at just one aspect of it.

Say you have a nut that you need to loosen. I can design and sell you a Rube Goldberg machine - with all kinds of levers, pulleys, weights, valves, pneumatics, hydraulics, electric motors etc. - that will loosen your nut for you. And this machine will have cost commensurate with it's complexity. Or, I could just sell you a simple 5 dollar wrench that will get the job done. Again, both will loosen the bolt. Which would you prefer? Oh and by the way... The Rube Goldberg machine will have externally imposed limitations so that it will only loosen bolts tightened to very limited torque settings.

 

But that doesn't make any sense. It's not one or the other. You need the wrench (street tuner) anyway. And it's the street tuner that has externally imposed limitations. That's why my tech was not confident he could get everything possible out of my bike with it. It's the Smart Auto Tuner that is still pending regulatory approval.

I could be wrong, but the way I see it is that the Smart auto tuner is that 2' piece of pipe you add to your wrench to make it easier to get the nut off.

 

OH... Something in my sales pitch I forgot to mention... Due to some of the complexities in the Rube Goldberg machine I'm selling you, it's performance may diminish over time.



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Yeah, unfortunately there aren't many things who's performance increases over time.

 

The ATM does what it's supposed to right it does do that , it's just that the SEST can't do anything but stay in the EPA limits ,so that hamstrings the AT Module right there .
It's cost effectiveness I think a cam will cost less but do more and you need the SEST or SEPST anyways
Running the AT Module with a race tuner might get you a little more ,there is guys running the race tuner and the AT Module here in Australia most are happy
that I know but one guy was not.
These guys http://www.suncityhd.com.au/ are fitting them to Race tuner equipped bikes and the owners are happy with the results.
Email them if you want to know more.

 

OK, totally unrelated to recent posts here, but thought the Everything Heritage thread would be the best place to post, as the '18 Heritage is what I'm considering.
I'd appreciate some input. After migrating over to an Indian for the past 3 or so years, primarily because of their suspension treating my fused lower back so much better, after a recent Demo ride on the new Heritage, seriously thinking of "returning to the fold". 26-yr HOG member, on the plus side of 70.

* What is the consensus of '18 owners.....has the Softail M8 cured the fluid transfer/sumping issues that a lot of the '17 Touring M8's were having?

* Is rear cylinder heat an issue on the Heritage? The Indian really puts out the heat, so doubt the Heritage could be any worse...hopefully a lot better.

* How well does the new rear suspension work on them over time? I'm at 5'10" and only 153 lbs, so if properly dialed in would the rear shock have plenty of travel for my weight without bottoming out? (The fused lower back does NOT like bottoming; I have no issues whatsoever with the Chieftain suspension).

* Does the 114 have enough more performance than the 107 to warrant getting it?

* Anybody out with a good 2-into-1 exhaust setup yet, or even a crossover setup, which I like better for looks at least?

* Are they actually getting the stated 47 MPG? Or close to that?

All the YouTube reviews I've watched....seems everyone pretty much raves about them. The 130 or so pound weight reduction from my Chieftain would be welcome, and just getting back to H-D "roots" would be good, too. Might even head to Milwaukee for the 115th; we've gone to the 90th, 95th, and 100th, but my wife's riding days are over, thus the interest in the Heritage....always been my favorite H-D, but wasn't ever the best choice for 2-up with a passenger to consider.

Anything else you want to throw in, go for it. Think I"m going to rent one maybe Saturday and put a couple hundred miles on to give it a good extended test ride.

Thanks much.

 

1 A cable clutch so no issue at all.
2 No.
3 Very good for stock suspension.Best ever on a HD. An aftermarket seat might suit you.
4 A little bit more grunt.
5 Bassani,Two Brothers and a few others.
6 Fuel mileage is good on my bike but I can't speak for anyone else.
Yes renting one will a answer your other questions.
HTH
Cheers.

 

I second all of this. I've ridden the Chieftan and the Roadmaster. The handling on the Heritage is better IMO. The suspension compliance is very comparable. I'm very happy with the 114 and love the torque and performance even with a stage 1. I've had tankfulls in excess of 40 mpg which is typical. I can get under 40 mpg but we all know why that'd be the case (high speed/heavy throttle use). I am looking to go with a different seat though and looking at the Mustang touring seat as a replacement. All around, this is the best bike I've ever owned, period.