Stage 1 differences
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Road Warrior
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Thanks Bob, I'm getting it now.
Hulk if I get that out of this I'll be pleased. Ordered the parts today and should be able to get the bike in no later than the 20th.
In the meantime, since I now have the breathers far enough into the intake to keep them from spitting oil all over the filter I put the dirty stock filter back in. I'll put the stock breather hoses back in before I drop it off. I didn't order their Ventilator kit, mostly because with the K&N filter I bought from the mothership along with my factory 114 ventilator gives me that setup anyway. And before I added longer hoses myself they told me that factory breather hoses had not yet been superceded on the 114. So there was no good reason to spend the money on their kit. But I'm having them do the tuner, street cannons, and torque cam. Steep labor costs but I got them to throw in an oil change in all three holes as well.
Hulk if I get that out of this I'll be pleased. Ordered the parts today and should be able to get the bike in no later than the 20th.
In the meantime, since I now have the breathers far enough into the intake to keep them from spitting oil all over the filter I put the dirty stock filter back in. I'll put the stock breather hoses back in before I drop it off. I didn't order their Ventilator kit, mostly because with the K&N filter I bought from the mothership along with my factory 114 ventilator gives me that setup anyway. And before I added longer hoses myself they told me that factory breather hoses had not yet been superceded on the 114. So there was no good reason to spend the money on their kit. But I'm having them do the tuner, street cannons, and torque cam. Steep labor costs but I got them to throw in an oil change in all three holes as well.
Road Warrior
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My Stage 1 consists of the following. Stock Ventlator with K&N filter element. S&S slash cut mufflers. Fuel Moto Power Vision map for the S&S mufflers. I am guessing the total power gains are only around 3-5 hp/lb ft. But the bike runs a lot better and crisper. My bike is out of warranty so no worries there. The Fuel Moto map for the mufflers was close to perfect. Only did one auto tune session it was so close. The tuner, by far, made the most difference. The S&S mufflers sound a lot better than the street cannons but are still EPA compliant.
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Road Warrior
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Thanks for the info Martin. After feeling the decrease in throttle response after changing only the AF I'm looking forward to the tuner as well. It'll be a couple of weeks before my bike goes in so I put the stock filter back on until then.
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And is the throttle response back to normal?
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So it's very possible that the filter swap affected his bike significantly, especially at higher altitudes.
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I could be mistaken but I don't think the HD ECU's are as forgiving, and this may be by design. MOCO makes a lot of money selling stage kits, and to begin it "requires" a tuner as a foundation for all further changes, including the first one which is airflow and exhaust.
I've been riding for a very long time, more than 40 years, and on this bike especially I've quickly become attuned to the throttle response, maybe and probably because it's the first TBW that I've owned. And also because the level of sheer grunt at low rpms requires a careful hand. As soon as I swapped out the stock filter for the K&N I could feel the difference in throttle response, almost like a car with a vacumn leak coming off the carburetor, the slight hesitation before the bike responds to the twisting of the wrist.
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I had my VTX1800 for nine years. In that time I went through a LOT of airbox and/or exhaust changes, sometimes individually sometimes in combinations. The ECU on that bike never failed to adjust and the bike always ran great. I bought a tuner for it but ended up selling it unused because there was no need to use it.
I could be mistaken but I don't think the HD ECU's are as forgiving, and this may be by design. MOCO makes a lot of money selling stage kits, and to begin it "requires" a tuner as a foundation for all further changes, including the first one which is airflow and exhaust.
I've been riding for a very long time, more than 40 years, and on this bike especially I've quickly become attuned to the throttle response, maybe and probably because it's the first TBW that I've owned. And also because the level of sheer grunt at low rpms requires a careful hand. As soon as I swapped out the stock filter for the K&N I could feel the difference in throttle response, almost like a car with a vacumn leak coming off the carburetor, the slight hesitation before the bike responds to the twisting of the wrist.
I could be mistaken but I don't think the HD ECU's are as forgiving, and this may be by design. MOCO makes a lot of money selling stage kits, and to begin it "requires" a tuner as a foundation for all further changes, including the first one which is airflow and exhaust.
I've been riding for a very long time, more than 40 years, and on this bike especially I've quickly become attuned to the throttle response, maybe and probably because it's the first TBW that I've owned. And also because the level of sheer grunt at low rpms requires a careful hand. As soon as I swapped out the stock filter for the K&N I could feel the difference in throttle response, almost like a car with a vacumn leak coming off the carburetor, the slight hesitation before the bike responds to the twisting of the wrist.
Whats a TBW? Big Twin?
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Road Warrior
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TBW Throttle by Wire
First Big Twin I owned (> 1100), was my VTX 1800. Oh, and as an aside, even my V65 Magna was not as touchy on the throttle as this FB. It was the fastest production bike in its day. Probably not on the torque side, but on the hp side. Therein lies the difference I guess.
First Big Twin I owned (> 1100), was my VTX 1800. Oh, and as an aside, even my V65 Magna was not as touchy on the throttle as this FB. It was the fastest production bike in its day. Probably not on the torque side, but on the hp side. Therein lies the difference I guess.
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