Kickstand “ENGINEERING CODE CRACKED”
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From: Unreconstructed
EDITED: it has come to my attention that...."THE GROUND CONFLICT CONDITION W/ THE JIFFY-STAND IS BOTH RIDER WEIGHT & MODEL SPECIFIC!!!"
while softail models share the same base frame they do not share the same amount of laden ground:jiffy-stand clearance and furthermore can be dependent on rear shock preload setting VS laden weight
while softail models share the same base frame they do not share the same amount of laden ground:jiffy-stand clearance and furthermore can be dependent on rear shock preload setting VS laden weight
This was always an issue with Dyna's though and my '17 FXDB is the same, I have to lean over to the right to allow the stand to fullyy extend.
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As my bike is 28 years old I’m not familiar with the new jiffy stands
You’re saying they operate differently? Maybe a video is warranted to demonstrate what you’re talking about too the old guys. Like me.
You’re saying they operate differently? Maybe a video is warranted to demonstrate what you’re talking about too the old guys. Like me.
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The new stand is much shorter and tucked further underneath the bike when deployed. I always think the bike is going to roll right over the stand and fall right over to the left since the new stand is so close to the centerline of the bike
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OP I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to lean the bike a bit to the right when deploying the stand. Don't get me wrong I understand you're trying to help me and others, and I appreciate it. But on some of these newer softails the stand must be pushed forward past a 90° angle with its pivot point in order to lock into place, otherwise the bike could roll forward off it, and fall over. I say this because it sounds to me that what you're describing is similar to the way a center stand is deployed, in that putting weight on the extension tang will cause the stand to extend all the way down. However that would not guarantee that it has also moved all the way forward, and that is a must in order for it to keep the bike from rolling forward. At least on my Fatboy and some others this is a possibility.
Fran I would suggest you start a mental checklist, with at least this one step before taking off. It will only take one brief contact with the ground at speed while leaning to the left at just the wrong moment for the bike to be vaulted, sending the rear tire up and forward violently. I saw a guy on the freeway once about 40 years ago riding with his down and was able to get his attention. It may have ended badly for him otherwise. Not trying to say I never forget anything and I have in fact taken off once with mine down but thankfully didn't clear my driveway, which is gravel, before I felt it catch and get pushed backward and up. No harm no foul.
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From: Port Saint Lucie, FL
OP I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to lean the bike a bit to the right when deploying the stand. Don't get me wrong I understand you're trying to help me and others, and I appreciate it. But on some of these newer softails the stand must be pushed forward past a 90° angle with its pivot point in order to lock into place, otherwise the bike could roll forward off it, and fall over. I say this because it sounds to me that what you're describing is similar to the way a center stand is deployed, in that putting weight on the extension tang will cause the stand to extend all the way down. However that would not guarantee that it has also moved all the way forward, and that is a must in order for it to keep the bike from rolling forward. At least on my Fatboy and some others this is a possibility....
The problem is the stand comes into contact with the ground well before it even reaches the 90deg position "IF" the rider remains seated with their full body weight on the bike which in turn keeps the bikes suspension compressed which in turn keeps the bikes frame lower to the ground where if they simply relieved the bikes suspension of their body weight the frame would rise upwards giving the stand enough ground clearance to freely swing forward into its locked position.
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Yes I get that the stand needs to swing forward past the 90deg mark to reach its keyway locked position.
The problem is the stand comes into contact with the ground well before it even reaches the 90deg position "IF" the rider remains seated with their full body weight on the bike which in turn keeps the bikes suspension compressed which in turn keeps the bikes frame lower to the ground where if they simply relieved the bikes suspension of their body weight the frame would rise upwards giving the stand enough ground clearance to freely swing forward into its locked position.
The problem is the stand comes into contact with the ground well before it even reaches the 90deg position "IF" the rider remains seated with their full body weight on the bike which in turn keeps the bikes suspension compressed which in turn keeps the bikes frame lower to the ground where if they simply relieved the bikes suspension of their body weight the frame would rise upwards giving the stand enough ground clearance to freely swing forward into its locked position.
I simply lean the bike a little to the right and swing the kickstand into place. Problem solved.
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It's good that you don't have a problem with your kickstand. You can go now.
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i don’t have a problem with mine either tmac, I ain’t going nowhere. ?
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Think it should be mandatory to get a motorcycle license and ride larger machines the applicant must spend 6 months on a kick start only motorcycle.
Two things will come of this,
#1 They will will never call it a Jiffy stand again may god be praised
#2 They will learn the proper use and trust of a system that's been doing a great job for a 100 plus years without all the this hand wringing ninny bullshit about it.
Just my 2 cents....
Two things will come of this,
#1 They will will never call it a Jiffy stand again may god be praised
#2 They will learn the proper use and trust of a system that's been doing a great job for a 100 plus years without all the this hand wringing ninny bullshit about it.
Just my 2 cents....
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