2018+ Softail Models Breakout

Kickstand “ENGINEERING CODE CRACKED”

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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JINKSTER
EDITED: it has come to my attention that...."THE GROUND CONFLICT CONDITION W/ THE JIFFY-STAND IS BOTH RIDER WEIGHT & MODEL SPECIFIC!!!"

while softail models share the same base frame they do not share the same amount of laden ground:jiffy-stand clearance and furthermore can be dependent on rear shock preload setting VS laden weight
That makes sense, because the stand on my wife's 22 FXBBS is so short there is no way it would contact the ground without leaving over to the left. It must be a Heritage thing?

This was always an issue with Dyna's though and my '17 FXDB is the same, I have to lean over to the right to allow the stand to fullyy extend.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 09:52 AM
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As my bike is 28 years old I’m not familiar with the new jiffy stands
You’re saying they operate differently? Maybe a video is warranted to demonstrate what you’re talking about too the old guys. Like me.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RANGER73
As my bike is 28 years old I’m not familiar with the new jiffy stands
You’re saying they operate differently? Maybe a video is warranted to demonstrate what you’re talking about too the old guys. Like me.
The new stand is much shorter and tucked further underneath the bike when deployed. I always think the bike is going to roll right over the stand and fall right over to the left since the new stand is so close to the centerline of the bike
 
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Old Dec 9, 2022 | 10:56 PM
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OP I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to lean the bike a bit to the right when deploying the stand. Don't get me wrong I understand you're trying to help me and others, and I appreciate it. But on some of these newer softails the stand must be pushed forward past a 90° angle with its pivot point in order to lock into place, otherwise the bike could roll forward off it, and fall over. I say this because it sounds to me that what you're describing is similar to the way a center stand is deployed, in that putting weight on the extension tang will cause the stand to extend all the way down. However that would not guarantee that it has also moved all the way forward, and that is a must in order for it to keep the bike from rolling forward. At least on my Fatboy and some others this is a possibility.

Originally Posted by FranBunnyFFXII
This is me... I do this... I always forget to put the kickstand up...
Fran I would suggest you start a mental checklist, with at least this one step before taking off. It will only take one brief contact with the ground at speed while leaning to the left at just the wrong moment for the bike to be vaulted, sending the rear tire up and forward violently. I saw a guy on the freeway once about 40 years ago riding with his down and was able to get his attention. It may have ended badly for him otherwise. Not trying to say I never forget anything and I have in fact taken off once with mine down but thankfully didn't clear my driveway, which is gravel, before I felt it catch and get pushed backward and up. No harm no foul.


 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by iHodor
OP I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to lean the bike a bit to the right when deploying the stand. Don't get me wrong I understand you're trying to help me and others, and I appreciate it. But on some of these newer softails the stand must be pushed forward past a 90° angle with its pivot point in order to lock into place, otherwise the bike could roll forward off it, and fall over. I say this because it sounds to me that what you're describing is similar to the way a center stand is deployed, in that putting weight on the extension tang will cause the stand to extend all the way down. However that would not guarantee that it has also moved all the way forward, and that is a must in order for it to keep the bike from rolling forward. At least on my Fatboy and some others this is a possibility....
Yes I get that the stand needs to swing forward past the 90deg mark to reach its keyway locked position.

The problem is the stand comes into contact with the ground well before it even reaches the 90deg position "IF" the rider remains seated with their full body weight on the bike which in turn keeps the bikes suspension compressed which in turn keeps the bikes frame lower to the ground where if they simply relieved the bikes suspension of their body weight the frame would rise upwards giving the stand enough ground clearance to freely swing forward into its locked position.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JINKSTER
Yes I get that the stand needs to swing forward past the 90deg mark to reach its keyway locked position.

The problem is the stand comes into contact with the ground well before it even reaches the 90deg position "IF" the rider remains seated with their full body weight on the bike which in turn keeps the bikes suspension compressed which in turn keeps the bikes frame lower to the ground where if they simply relieved the bikes suspension of their body weight the frame would rise upwards giving the stand enough ground clearance to freely swing forward into its locked position.
Maybe I'm missing something...

I simply lean the bike a little to the right and swing the kickstand into place. Problem solved.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by T^2
Maybe I'm missing something...

I simply lean the bike a little to the right and swing the kickstand into place. Problem solved.
It's good that you don't have a problem with your kickstand. You can go now.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tmac00333
It's good that you don't have a problem with your kickstand. You can go now.
i don’t have a problem with mine either tmac, I ain’t going nowhere. ?
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 02:15 PM
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Think it should be mandatory to get a motorcycle license and ride larger machines the applicant must spend 6 months on a kick start only motorcycle.

Two things will come of this,

#1 They will will never call it a Jiffy stand again may god be praised

#2 They will learn the proper use and trust of a system that's been doing a great job for a 100 plus years without all the this hand wringing ninny bullshit about it.

Just my 2 cents....
 
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Old Dec 10, 2022 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Durham man
i don’t have a problem with mine either tmac, I ain’t going nowhere. ?
Yeah, you can go too. If it's not a problem for you, what are you getting out of this thread? Why are you hanging around for nothing? Or do you just want to brag?



 
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