apparently I screwed myself
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apparently I screwed myself
Call it a combination of ignorance on my part, too much enthusiasm, no patience, and some bad assumptions...
Knowing that the PV4 was coming out in June that supports the Gen2 M8, I made all my upgrades last weekend.
The ignorance come in where I wrongly thought "supporting" the Gen2 meant it would work with my upgrades (cams, intake, exhaust)
PV4 arrived yesterday and I installed it, only to find they (neither dynojet not fuel moto) have any maps for my cam
and it may be a long time before they do
So now it seems I've turned my new bike into a pretty, and very expensive sculpture, that will sit in my garage, unless I want to re-do the entire weekend of work I put in doing the upgrades.
How am I gonna spend a whole weekend downgrading my bike?
Cant blame anyone but myself really, but I do think that dynojet could have been more detailed in their announcement of Gen2 support by adding a caveat that
its not going to work with any cams for who knows how long, and really, what good is a tuner that only supports the stock parts?
My last experience was with my 09 fat boy and a PCIII which worked with anything right out of the box and you had and had a million options, so I assumed it would be similar experience.
I assumed stuff. Me=stupid.
Called a couple places that can dynotune and seeing if I have any recourse there, but then most places will have some probably long lead times, and I'll definitely have to rent a trailer
to get the bike there if/when I can since its not ridable inits current condition...
Knowing that the PV4 was coming out in June that supports the Gen2 M8, I made all my upgrades last weekend.
The ignorance come in where I wrongly thought "supporting" the Gen2 meant it would work with my upgrades (cams, intake, exhaust)
PV4 arrived yesterday and I installed it, only to find they (neither dynojet not fuel moto) have any maps for my cam
and it may be a long time before they do
So now it seems I've turned my new bike into a pretty, and very expensive sculpture, that will sit in my garage, unless I want to re-do the entire weekend of work I put in doing the upgrades.
How am I gonna spend a whole weekend downgrading my bike?
Cant blame anyone but myself really, but I do think that dynojet could have been more detailed in their announcement of Gen2 support by adding a caveat that
its not going to work with any cams for who knows how long, and really, what good is a tuner that only supports the stock parts?
My last experience was with my 09 fat boy and a PCIII which worked with anything right out of the box and you had and had a million options, so I assumed it would be similar experience.
I assumed stuff. Me=stupid.
Called a couple places that can dynotune and seeing if I have any recourse there, but then most places will have some probably long lead times, and I'll definitely have to rent a trailer
to get the bike there if/when I can since its not ridable inits current condition...
Last edited by chunks; Jun 25, 2025 at 10:37 AM.
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Jul 27, 2025, 05:55 PM
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Well OK.
I can now say that I did not screw myself. I simply tested my own patience
To sum up, as previously mentioned, Fuel Moto and DynoJet were not going to be putting out any tunes in the near future for the Andrews 485 cam I had installed.
Maybe someday, but not at this point.
The reason is that it just wasn't performing in the Gen2 like it did with Gen1 and they were focusing on cams that were designed for the gen2
So I determined that the Zippers Red Shift 528 looked like a good fit, and got some confirmation from fuel moto that this was going to be a well supported cam that they had really good results from,
bought the cam, tore the bike down again, pulled out the andrews cam and put in the rs528.
Saved on one step. used magnets to hold up the lifters so i didnt have to pull the tappet blocks off again. every little bit helps.
put it all back together again, (this was a week ago) and Fuel Moto had yet to release maps with cams so while I was good to go, I still had the stock map
in the bike so it wasnt running.
Took the opportunity to install an AIM SDR variable pressure clutch
Anyhoo, those boys at Fuel Moto are working overtime getting these maps out. Got an email today (Sunday) that Lucas shared a tune with me
So I launched off the couch at pretty much mach 3, went to the garage, set the thing up and flashed the tune
At this point im a bit nervous. Id done exhaust and intake myself on previous bikes, but all the deeper stuff internal (cam, comp ramp, clutch, etc) was the first time id ever done those things and while I was confident I'd done the work right I still
had some fear I had @#%$ up the bike
Nope
i ran the starter a few times with plugs out to get some oil pressure up and circulating, put the plugs back in and hit it and it started right up. Loud and awesome
This cam is stronger than the one I had on my 09 twin cam, and it idles like the most awesome hot rod with that sweet lope. the exhaust is loud but not ridiculous
and the thing rides like a totally different bike. The torque is monstrous and awesome
Its not just stronger, louder, and faster though. but it just rides more smoothly. The stock setup the throttle was really twitchy and annoying, and not super easy to maintain a smooth steady pace, especially when cornering,
This bike is a thousand percent better across the board.
I put it through its paces quite a bit and it felt great in pretty much all circumstances and it ran great. I'm sure getting it dyno'd would tweak every last bit out of it, but now
getting that done is a choice, not a necessity.
So I didnt screw myself. I got a better cam than my first pick, had to do some extra work installing another cam, and the whole process took longer than expected, but I'm 100% happy with the outcome
Anyone with a gen 1 need an Andrews 485? This is a great cam and I have no use for it. It has zero miles on it
I can now say that I did not screw myself. I simply tested my own patience
To sum up, as previously mentioned, Fuel Moto and DynoJet were not going to be putting out any tunes in the near future for the Andrews 485 cam I had installed.
Maybe someday, but not at this point.
The reason is that it just wasn't performing in the Gen2 like it did with Gen1 and they were focusing on cams that were designed for the gen2
So I determined that the Zippers Red Shift 528 looked like a good fit, and got some confirmation from fuel moto that this was going to be a well supported cam that they had really good results from,
bought the cam, tore the bike down again, pulled out the andrews cam and put in the rs528.
Saved on one step. used magnets to hold up the lifters so i didnt have to pull the tappet blocks off again. every little bit helps.
put it all back together again, (this was a week ago) and Fuel Moto had yet to release maps with cams so while I was good to go, I still had the stock map
in the bike so it wasnt running.
Took the opportunity to install an AIM SDR variable pressure clutch
Anyhoo, those boys at Fuel Moto are working overtime getting these maps out. Got an email today (Sunday) that Lucas shared a tune with me
So I launched off the couch at pretty much mach 3, went to the garage, set the thing up and flashed the tune
At this point im a bit nervous. Id done exhaust and intake myself on previous bikes, but all the deeper stuff internal (cam, comp ramp, clutch, etc) was the first time id ever done those things and while I was confident I'd done the work right I still
had some fear I had @#%$ up the bike
Nope
i ran the starter a few times with plugs out to get some oil pressure up and circulating, put the plugs back in and hit it and it started right up. Loud and awesome
This cam is stronger than the one I had on my 09 twin cam, and it idles like the most awesome hot rod with that sweet lope. the exhaust is loud but not ridiculous
and the thing rides like a totally different bike. The torque is monstrous and awesome
Its not just stronger, louder, and faster though. but it just rides more smoothly. The stock setup the throttle was really twitchy and annoying, and not super easy to maintain a smooth steady pace, especially when cornering,
This bike is a thousand percent better across the board.
I put it through its paces quite a bit and it felt great in pretty much all circumstances and it ran great. I'm sure getting it dyno'd would tweak every last bit out of it, but now
getting that done is a choice, not a necessity.
So I didnt screw myself. I got a better cam than my first pick, had to do some extra work installing another cam, and the whole process took longer than expected, but I'm 100% happy with the outcome
Anyone with a gen 1 need an Andrews 485? This is a great cam and I have no use for it. It has zero miles on it
Last edited by chunks; Jul 27, 2025 at 05:58 PM.
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Yeah, not the update I had hoped to be posting...
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Find a competent dyno operator in your area.... Not all dyno operators are good... hunt around for a quality tuner with a good reputation.. Preferably find one that uses the Powevision tuner, since you already have one.
Then make a road trip...
Rent a U-haul M/C trailer if you have to, but get your bike to a good Dyno Tuner and let them dial it in for you...
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Road Master
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From: Pennsylvania
Find a competent dyno operator in your area.... Not all dyno operators are good... hunt around for a quality tuner with a good reputation.. Preferably find one that uses the Powevision tuner, since you already have one.
Then make a road trip...
Rent a U-haul M/C trailer if you have to, but get your bike to a good Dyno Tuner and let them dial it in for you...
If it'll save me having to gut the bike again and put the stock cam back in id rather buy a new tuner and rent a trailer to haul the bike.
Then the challenge is knowing who is "good" thats actually close enough to do it.
One guy I spoke with already via email is JD Cycles. He doesnt work with PV4, but even if I switched to another tuner, he is booked through September
Looks more and more like if I want to ride my new bike this year I'm going to have to put the stock cam back in
Last edited by chunks; Jun 25, 2025 at 01:41 PM.
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Must be an area thing... around me there are a lot of hungry dyno guys ready to take your bike today - but not all of them know what a PV4 is
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Have you contacted Steve Cole with TTS Master Tune? I don't know what upgrades you did, but it's worth asking if they can help you with it.
http://www.mastertune.net/support_announcements.html
Paul
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Closest I found is 90 minutes and eyes glaze over if I say my bike is a 2025 softail...
