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Old Apr 26, 2021 | 11:42 AM
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And that's why I removed my RF. As hot as it got with the fairing taken apart I could only imagine how hot it must get with fairing buttoned up. My class D PRECISION POWER i1000.4 4-CHANNEL 2000W running at ...
So basically you are saying that a class D amp is more efficient than a class BR and hence generates less heat? Nothing new here.
 
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How are you running 6-2ohm speakers on that amp?
Front 4 speakers in series until I get the 6 channel amp I'm wanting. Not as loud as rear channels but after adjusting gain, it doesn't sound too bad.
 
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Originally Posted by Ultar Rich
Front 4 speakers in series until I get the 6 channel amp I'm wanting. Not as loud as rear channels but after adjusting gain, it doesn't sound too bad.
Good deal just making sure.
 
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Originally Posted by Little Mike
Thought I'd put this together since I see a lot of people who are just starting out asking the same questions. This is by no means meant to be an all encompassing list. It is also intentionally kept basic because, well, the tech talk can go on forever and IMHO only serves to confuse people who are just learning.

Ohms (also called Impedance) - Ohms are a measurement of resistance to the flow of electricity and electrical signals through things. The higher the ohms, the more resistance. Why is this important and why do you hear people talk about matching ohms? It's because audio components, like nearly everything else, have their limits as well as the area in which they operate at their best. If you start mismatching components that were designed to operate in different areas you can run into problems. Particularly because when it comes to audio stuff everyone usually wants to push things to the max. For example, you add a component to the system that creates too much resistance for another one. That resistance will build heat...somewhere. For an example that's bike relevant let's take a look at the stock Harley radio. It is rated at 2 ohms. Now you change out your speakers to a set rated at 4 ohms. You've essentially doubled the resistance to the signal your radio is trying to push out. It can't get that power out but it keeps on trying. Something has to give and it will most often be the internal amplifier in your radio. While this should demonstrate why increasing ohms or impedance is bad, there is also a risk with lowering impedance. This risk however is very slight when talking about the speakers you would generally put in a bike. It is most applicable to subwoofers. The quick explanation is that the amp becomes free to pump out more power even faster and the amp heats up. Like I said though this is a very slight risk especially since in this scenario you'd turn the radio down...hopefully before things get blown.

RMS - For the record means Root Mean Square and refers to the mathematical equation used to determine the average amount of power an amp or speaker were designed to operate at. This number is very important though. What it represents is the number of watts, or amount of power, your speakers or amp were designed to operate at for prolonged periods of time without doing damage to them. DON'T fall in love with the max wattage rating for speakers! First, it is almost always exaggerated for real life applications since you don't likely have the equipment to provide the perfectly clean signal the manufacturer did to reach that number. Second, if you run your awesome new speakers at the max rated wattage for an extended period of time they WILL fail. Keep in mind that the RMS ratings are also occasionally exaggerated. Why? Well, it sells speakers. Sometimes, however, you will find speakers where the manufacturer underrated the RMS for their speakers. I'm not 100% sure why they would do this but finding out which ones are underrated isn't usually that difficult. You will have heard people positively discussing how much more power they could handle as compared to what they were listed at.

Gain - This is a term you will see used regularly when talking about installing an amp. "Once you have everything connected you'll need to set your gains." While a lot of people think that the gain adjustment is what controls the power the amp produces, and subsequently the volume, this isn't its purpose or what it's actually doing...exactly. While it does have some effect on volume the purpose of the gain adjustment is, in the simplest of terms, to match the volts at the amps input to the volts being produced by the source's output. Say for example your HU without an amplifier starts to cause distortion to the speakers at 80% of max volume. Then you hook up your amp and the distortion now starts at 40% of your maximum volume. Your gain is set too high. On the other side of the coin, you hook up the amp and there is still no distortion right at the same level as without the amp. In this case your gain is set too low.

Headroom - You'll hear this term used too when talking about amplifiers. What it is referring to is the extra amount of power, in this case watts, your amp has to give. Ideally you would like an amp that can provide 50% more watts than what you're going to need to power your speakers at their RMS rating. If you have an amp that is rated for 100w per channel and you put in speakers rated at an RMS of 90 your amp is working really hard. If you were to use those same speakers and an amp rated at 150 watts per channel it isn't working as hard, will run cooler, produce a cleaner signal, and has some extra power to give when that favorite song comes on.

Marine Grade - Marine grade DOES NOT mean waterproof. Marine grade simply means that the component was built to better resist corrosion. Are they more water resistant? Yes, but not waterproof. There are waterproof components like speakers available but plan on paying a premium price for them.

Wiring Configurations – When considering any of the below please remember to make sure your source, be it a HU or an amp, has the capability to provide enough watts to drive the number of speakers your planning on connecting. If it doesn’t you will never be satisfied with how your system sounds. As a result, you may be inclined to push your amp too far trying to make it sound the way you think it should and could damage it. This is another instance where an amps headroom comes into play.

Parallel – Parallel wiring two speakers together is done to reduce the load (resistance) the amplifier sees. This is accomplished by connecting the positive terminals of two speakers and the negative terminals of those same two speakers to a single channel on the amplifier as seen below. So two 8 ohm speakers become a 4 ohm load, two 4 ohm speakers become a 2 ohm load.



By wiring the speakers this way it allows you to connect two speakers where the impedance wouldn’t otherwise match the power/signal source you’re using. Again using the stock Harley head unit as an example. The HU is a 2 ohm source. Then you went out and purchased two sets of 4 ohm speakers to replace the stock ones and fill the rear pods you picked up. To keep from possibly doing harm to your HU, specifically the internal amplifier, you are going to need to wire them in parallel. Now if your bike has fade control you run into another problem. The 2 speakers on the right and two on the left are connected to a single output and your ability to fade the front and rears independently is gone. Starting to see why matching the impedance values can be important? A last note on wiring speakers in parallel. By decreasing the resistance to the signal it is capable of flowing more freely through the speakers voice coil. This will increase the volume of the speakers and is why it is often done in motorcycle application.

Series – Wiring your speakers in series has the opposite effect of wiring in parallel. It will increase the load seen by your source. This is done by connecting the positive terminal of one speaker to one of the positive output posts/wires on your source. Then connect the negative terminal of that speaker to the positive terminal of the next speaker and finally connect the negative terminal of the second speaker to the same channel's negative post on the source. Think of it as creating a loop as shown below.



Why would this need to be done? Say you bought an amp that was not 2 ohm stable and only rated for a 4 ohm load but you just couldn’t pass up the deal on a pair of speakers that you later discover are rated at 2 ohms. By wiring them in series you will increase the impedance to match the source. Two 2 ohm speakers wired in series become a 4 ohm load. Two 4 ohm speakers, an 8 ohm load..etc. While wiring in parallel and reducing resistance increased volume, wiring is series increases resistance and will lower the volume since the signal can't flow as freely.

Bridging An Amplifier – When you bridge an amp you are wiring it in such a way that you combine two channels into one. Essentially doubling the amount of power (watts) it produces. This is most often done when powering a single speaker like a subwoofer. There are a couple of things to pay attention to when bridging an amp. The first is whether the amp is designed to safely produce and handle the additional power from being bridged. If it is or not can be found in the spec sheet and those that are will often be marketed as bridgeable. Unlike the above wiring options, when bridging an amp you’re not looking to make sure your amp has enough power to drive your speakers but that it won’t produce so much power that you blow the speaker. Remember, in this configuration you’re DOUBLING the power being sent to the speaker. Again, this is done by combining two channels. Picture outputs of a 2 channel amp, almost always they will be next to each other. You have a left and a right channel and each one has its own positive and negative. It’ll be configured as some combination of + - - + or maybe + - + -. As can be seen below the positive side of one channel is connected to the positive terminal of the speaker and the negative terminal of that speaker is connected to the negative post of the other channel. Also shown in the picture is how this causes the impedance of the speaker to be cut in half as far as the amplifier is concerned.



One last thing. We enjoy helping with these things in any way we can and there are a bunch of very knowledgeable people here that share that knowledge freely. It is a great help to everyone if, when you post your question, you list what year and model of bike you have, a ballpark on what your budget is if any, what your short/long term audio goals are, and if you want to keep your FM reception.
I bought the cvo expansion kit and 2 speakers for the lower fairings. Trying to install on my 2009 roadking. Do I absolutely need a radio or can it be plugged into my iphone? Anyone installed this kit on roadking with success? Thanks
 
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Old Jun 5, 2021 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pinkice
I bought the cvo expansion kit and 2 speakers for the lower fairings. Trying to install on my 2009 roadking. Do I absolutely need a radio or can it be plugged into my iphone? Anyone installed this kit on roadking with success? Thanks
Why would you reply to a 7 year old sticky to ask your question? Start your own thread to get better responses to your questions.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 09:42 PM
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Hello everyone. New member and I ride a 2020 Street Glide Special. I recently had installed a Helix-Diamond Speaker-Amplifier Combo 2014+ Harley Street Glide, Velocity-Diamond 6x9 Universal Pro Speaker Kit '98+ Harley SPK-VEDA-69 × 1, Rear Speaker Split Backbone Wire Harness for Harley Saddlebag WH-SBB2 × 1, Diamond Audio M075T is a dual-stage horn, Diamond Audio MSPRO65 6.5" woofers, 12db crossovers, Helix M FOUR DSP is a powerful 4-channel amplifier with a fully integrated digital sound processor that brings a continuous output of 135 Watts per channel, and was installed at an audio facility. The music from my phone plays great but my issue is with the radio as any channel I try is always static so I'm always having to play from my phone. A radio is a must when riding around Houston just to check on the traffic because you could sit for a few hours and not move a foot.
The radio is the stock infotainment radio that came with the bike and it played great prior to the installation. Besides going back to the shop to have it checked out, has anyone had any similar issues like this?
Great website and forum this is.
Thanks for your input.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2022 | 01:39 PM
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Gosh, I hate to burden you with more questions.....
​​​​​​ . I've been doing some reading here and have learned much. THANK YOU!
​​​​​ Simple question??? Lol
. 2009 SG. Fairing only update. Factory HK head unit. What amp and speakers? I'm not out to win any contests, just like good clean sound with some bass thump.
. Thanks, Bill
 
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Old May 29, 2023 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Mike
Thought I'd put this together since I see a lot of people who are just starting out asking the same questions. This is by no means meant to be an all encompassing list. It is also intentionally kept basic because, well, the tech talk can go on forever and IMHO only serves to confuse people who are just learning.

Ohms (also called Impedance) - Ohms are a measurement of resistance to the flow of electricity and electrical signals through things. The higher the ohms, the more resistance. Why is this important and why do you hear people talk about matching ohms? It's because audio components, like nearly everything else, have their limits as well as the area in which they operate at their best. If you start mismatching components that were designed to operate in different areas you can run into problems. Particularly because when it comes to audio stuff everyone usually wants to push things to the max. For example, you add a component to the system that creates too much resistance for another one. That resistance will build heat...somewhere. For an example that's bike relevant let's take a look at the stock Harley radio. It is rated at 2 ohms. Now you change out your speakers to a set rated at 4 ohms. You've essentially doubled the resistance to the signal your radio is trying to push out. It can't get that power out but it keeps on trying. Something has to give and it will most often be the internal amplifier in your radio. While this should demonstrate why increasing ohms or impedance is bad, there is also a risk with lowering impedance. This risk however is very slight when talking about the speakers you would generally put in a bike. It is most applicable to subwoofers. The quick explanation is that the amp becomes free to pump out more power even faster and the amp heats up. Like I said though this is a very slight risk especially since in this scenario you'd turn the radio down...hopefully before things get blown.

RMS - For the record means Root Mean Square and refers to the mathematical equation used to determine the average amount of power an amp or speaker were designed to operate at. This number is very important though. What it represents is the number of watts, or amount of power, your speakers or amp were designed to operate at for prolonged periods of time without doing damage to them. DON'T fall in love with the max wattage rating for speakers! First, it is almost always exaggerated for real life applications since you don't likely have the equipment to provide the perfectly clean signal the manufacturer did to reach that number. Second, if you run your awesome new speakers at the max rated wattage for an extended period of time they WILL fail. Keep in mind that the RMS ratings are also occasionally exaggerated. Why? Well, it sells speakers. Sometimes, however, you will find speakers where the manufacturer underrated the RMS for their speakers. I'm not 100% sure why they would do this but finding out which ones are underrated isn't usually that difficult. You will have heard people positively discussing how much more power they could handle as compared to what they were listed at.

Gain - This is a term you will see used regularly when talking about installing an amp. "Once you have everything connected you'll need to set your gains." While a lot of people think that the gain adjustment is what controls the power the amp produces, and subsequently the volume, this isn't its purpose or what it's actually doing...exactly. While it does have some effect on volume the purpose of the gain adjustment is, in the simplest of terms, to match the volts at the amps input to the volts being produced by the source's output. Say for example your HU without an amplifier starts to cause distortion to the speakers at 80% of max volume. Then you hook up your amp and the distortion now starts at 40% of your maximum volume. Your gain is set too high. On the other side of the coin, you hook up the amp and there is still no distortion right at the same level as without the amp. In this case your gain is set too low.

Headroom - You'll hear this term used too when talking about amplifiers. What it is referring to is the extra amount of power, in this case watts, your amp has to give. Ideally you would like an amp that can provide 50% more watts than what you're going to need to power your speakers at their RMS rating. If you have an amp that is rated for 100w per channel and you put in speakers rated at an RMS of 90 your amp is working really hard. If you were to use those same speakers and an amp rated at 150 watts per channel it isn't working as hard, will run cooler, produce a cleaner signal, and has some extra power to give when that favorite song comes on.

Marine Grade - Marine grade DOES NOT mean waterproof. Marine grade simply means that the component was built to better resist corrosion. Are they more water resistant? Yes, but not waterproof. There are waterproof components like speakers available but plan on paying a premium price for them.

Wiring Configurations – When considering any of the below please remember to make sure your source, be it a HU or an amp, has the capability to provide enough watts to drive the number of speakers your planning on connecting. If it doesn’t you will never be satisfied with how your system sounds. As a result, you may be inclined to push your amp too far trying to make it sound the way you think it should and could damage it. This is another instance where an amps headroom comes into play.

Parallel – Parallel wiring two speakers together is done to reduce the load (resistance) the amplifier sees. This is accomplished by connecting the positive terminals of two speakers and the negative terminals of those same two speakers to a single channel on the amplifier as seen below. So two 8 ohm speakers become a 4 ohm load, two 4 ohm speakers become a 2 ohm load.



By wiring the speakers this way it allows you to connect two speakers where the impedance wouldn’t otherwise match the power/signal source you’re using. Again using the stock Harley head unit as an example. The HU is a 2 ohm source. Then you went out and purchased two sets of 4 ohm speakers to replace the stock ones and fill the rear pods you picked up. To keep from possibly doing harm to your HU, specifically the internal amplifier, you are going to need to wire them in parallel. Now if your bike has fade control you run into another problem. The 2 speakers on the right and two on the left are connected to a single output and your ability to fade the front and rears independently is gone. Starting to see why matching the impedance values can be important? A last note on wiring speakers in parallel. By decreasing the resistance to the signal it is capable of flowing more freely through the speakers voice coil. This will increase the volume of the speakers and is why it is often done in motorcycle application.

Series – Wiring your speakers in series has the opposite effect of wiring in parallel. It will increase the load seen by your source. This is done by connecting the positive terminal of one speaker to one of the positive output posts/wires on your source. Then connect the negative terminal of that speaker to the positive terminal of the next speaker and finally connect the negative terminal of the second speaker to the same channel's negative post on the source. Think of it as creating a loop as shown below.



Why would this need to be done? Say you bought an amp that was not 2 ohm stable and only rated for a 4 ohm load but you just couldn’t pass up the deal on a pair of speakers that you later discover are rated at 2 ohms. By wiring them in series you will increase the impedance to match the source. Two 2 ohm speakers wired in series become a 4 ohm load. Two 4 ohm speakers, an 8 ohm load..etc. While wiring in parallel and reducing resistance increased volume, wiring is series increases resistance and will lower the volume since the signal can't flow as freely.

Bridging An Amplifier – When you bridge an amp you are wiring it in such a way that you combine two channels into one. Essentially doubling the amount of power (watts) it produces. This is most often done when powering a single speaker like a subwoofer. There are a couple of things to pay attention to when bridging an amp. The first is whether the amp is designed to safely produce and handle the additional power from being bridged. If it is or not can be found in the spec sheet and those that are will often be marketed as bridgeable. Unlike the above wiring options, when bridging an amp you’re not looking to make sure your amp has enough power to drive your speakers but that it won’t produce so much power that you blow the speaker. Remember, in this configuration you’re DOUBLING the power being sent to the speaker. Again, this is done by combining two channels. Picture outputs of a 2 channel amp, almost always they will be next to each other. You have a left and a right channel and each one has its own positive and negative. It’ll be configured as some combination of + - - + or maybe + - + -. As can be seen below the positive side of one channel is connected to the positive terminal of the speaker and the negative terminal of that speaker is connected to the negative post of the other channel. Also shown in the picture is how this causes the impedance of the speaker to be cut in half as far as the amplifier is concerned.



One last thing. We enjoy helping with these things in any way we can and there are a bunch of very knowledgeable people here that share that knowledge freely. It is a great help to everyone if, when you post your question, you list what year and model of bike you have, a ballpark on what your budget is if any, what your short/long term audio goals are, and if you want to keep your FM reception.
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After all waht you said is it fine to fix just speakers without amplifier?
 
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This FAQ thread really needs to touch on the charging system. Some of these bikes have high power audio systems and I wonder how the bikes charging system keeps up. I've seen some stators showing upwards of 55 amps, but most are around 35-40 amps output. The charging system runs about 14 volts

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40A x 14V = 560W

So how well do these audio systems really do? Some of the setups I've read seem to be a bit much for the charging systems.
 
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This FAQ thread really needs to touch on the charging system. Some of these bikes have high power audio systems and I wonder how the bikes charging system keeps up. I've seen some stators showing upwards of 55 amps, but most are around 35-40 amps output. The charging system runs about 14 volts

Amps x Volts = Watts
40A x 14V = 560W

So how well do these audio systems really do? Some of the setups I've read seem to be a bit much for the charging systems.
That's what I was wondering. Now if all Amp builders rated equally, then we'd really know what we're talking about.
 
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