adding lower speaker pod help with upgrade
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adding lower speaker pod help with upgrade
2010 FLXH
Would like to keep speaker - amp updates to less than 2K total for this project.
Currently running a Sony 310, 2 PBR 300x2's in the faring, titan 7.1 in the faring, and pioneer TS6900's in the bag lids.
Have a set of lower farings with 6.5" speaker pods that I want to add but need to figure out the speaker and amp needs.
Know I'll probably need to make some amp changes and can do that just need some guidance. Current setup is good in the garage and parking lot and no issues hearing it going down the road with good sq but want more.
I do also have a set of titan II 6.5's laying around that I could use in the lowers but not by any means has to be a part of the plan.
Do I buy a 4 channel amp for the front end and then move 1 of the pbr's to the bag for the pioneers or ???????? And if so what amp and what speakers. Nothing in the current set up that couldn't be changed - upgraded.
So what would the Audio guru's recommend? Thanks in advance
Would like to keep speaker - amp updates to less than 2K total for this project.
Currently running a Sony 310, 2 PBR 300x2's in the faring, titan 7.1 in the faring, and pioneer TS6900's in the bag lids.
Have a set of lower farings with 6.5" speaker pods that I want to add but need to figure out the speaker and amp needs.
Know I'll probably need to make some amp changes and can do that just need some guidance. Current setup is good in the garage and parking lot and no issues hearing it going down the road with good sq but want more.
I do also have a set of titan II 6.5's laying around that I could use in the lowers but not by any means has to be a part of the plan.
Do I buy a 4 channel amp for the front end and then move 1 of the pbr's to the bag for the pioneers or ???????? And if so what amp and what speakers. Nothing in the current set up that couldn't be changed - upgraded.
So what would the Audio guru's recommend? Thanks in advance
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I would suggest that you go ahead and sell the X2 amps and invest in a Soundstream PN4.1000D for the fairing or a soundstream TN4.900 mounted in the tour pak. Both are great amps for the speakers you have.
If you like the sound of the Biketronics speakers. Run the Titan II's in the lowers in parallel with the 7.1's in the fairing on channel's 1 an 2.
Run the Pioneer Pro's on channel's 3 and 4.
The PBR amp's do not push enough power at 4 ohms for the Biketronics speakers to sound like they should.You will notice a HUGE difference with the soundstream amps.
If you like the sound of the Biketronics speakers. Run the Titan II's in the lowers in parallel with the 7.1's in the fairing on channel's 1 an 2.
Run the Pioneer Pro's on channel's 3 and 4.
The PBR amp's do not push enough power at 4 ohms for the Biketronics speakers to sound like they should.You will notice a HUGE difference with the soundstream amps.
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I am kind of in the same boat,have cda-9886m alpine running p.4.1000d powering 4 moto 602s 2 fairing 2 in lowers sounds great.adding pro 6900 in lids this weekend I could run both pair 602s parallel 1,2 6900 3,4 but I think I might be starving the 602s power wise.Otherwise a good microamp in faring nvxmvpa4 or jlmhx280/4 ? kinda on the fence Gann. Thanks again Paul
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2010 FLXH
Would like to keep speaker - amp updates to less than 2K total for this project.
Currently running a Sony 310, 2 PBR 300x2's in the faring, titan 7.1 in the faring, and pioneer TS6900's in the bag lids.
Have a set of lower farings with 6.5" speaker pods that I want to add but need to figure out the speaker and amp needs.
Know I'll probably need to make some amp changes and can do that just need some guidance. Current setup is good in the garage and parking lot and no issues hearing it going down the road with good sq but want more.
I do also have a set of titan II 6.5's laying around that I could use in the lowers but not by any means has to be a part of the plan.
Do I buy a 4 channel amp for the front end and then move 1 of the pbr's to the bag for the pioneers or ???????? And if so what amp and what speakers. Nothing in the current set up that couldn't be changed - upgraded.
So what would the Audio guru's recommend? Thanks in advance
Would like to keep speaker - amp updates to less than 2K total for this project.
Currently running a Sony 310, 2 PBR 300x2's in the faring, titan 7.1 in the faring, and pioneer TS6900's in the bag lids.
Have a set of lower farings with 6.5" speaker pods that I want to add but need to figure out the speaker and amp needs.
Know I'll probably need to make some amp changes and can do that just need some guidance. Current setup is good in the garage and parking lot and no issues hearing it going down the road with good sq but want more.
I do also have a set of titan II 6.5's laying around that I could use in the lowers but not by any means has to be a part of the plan.
Do I buy a 4 channel amp for the front end and then move 1 of the pbr's to the bag for the pioneers or ???????? And if so what amp and what speakers. Nothing in the current set up that couldn't be changed - upgraded.
So what would the Audio guru's recommend? Thanks in advance
You can do some damage with you are after. I would ditch those amps ASAP you will get much better sound from other amps, but you will likely lose some FM reception with other amps. I'd add a good 4 channel in the fairing - Arc Moto 600.4, Diamond 800.4 and then add a smaller 2 channel. Some amps will fit on the hogtunes second amp bracket if you wanted to keep them both in the fairing. You could use the second amp bridged to a good set of fairing speakers like the DD AW6.5 components, maybe even had some horns in your fairing. Then use the other amp 4 channel amp for lowers and lids. If you have the BT6.5's I would go ahead and use them in the lowers. They'll plenty loud and you can get good bass from quality fairing speakers and those 6X9's.
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FM radio not a big deal as I haven't had an antenna hooked up since I changed my rear fender a few years back.
Would like to keep the amp's in the faring if possible so what's the difference between the soundstream, diamond, and arc. I know this is a subjective question but which is better and/or why is one better than the other.
Unless something wonderful crosses my ears I might just stick with the biketronics speakers.
Would like to keep the amp's in the faring if possible so what's the difference between the soundstream, diamond, and arc. I know this is a subjective question but which is better and/or why is one better than the other.
Unless something wonderful crosses my ears I might just stick with the biketronics speakers.
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I am kind of in the same boat,have cda-9886m alpine running p.4.1000d powering 4 moto 602s 2 fairing 2 in lowers sounds great.adding pro 6900 in lids this weekend I could run both pair 602s parallel 1,2 6900 3,4 but I think I might be starving the 602s power wise.Otherwise a good microamp in faring nvxmvpa4 or jlmhx280/4 ? kinda on the fence Gann. Thanks again Paul
That said. I'm in agreement with my friend Haze on the type of speaker and the amount of power needed to power those speakers. All the rest of your speakers on the bike are basically "filler" speakers from the lowers, rear pods and saddle bags. So it stands to reason you want high quality speakers in the fairing with plenty of power. Now what I'm about to say goes against conventional wisdom but IMO those fairing speakers need to be mated with one powerful amp!! For example: Could you imagine what those Moto's would sound like in the fairing bridged to a JL MX500/4 @ 250 watts? Not saying that the Moto's are the best fairing speakers out there. But if you are going to run em in the fairing. That's what it takes to make em sing!!
So yeah. Your Moto's are a little underpowered with the SS amp. But we use that amp out of convenience because it's a budget 4 channel with good power. Getting back to my point. Fairing speakers need to be High sensitivity speakers 90db and above with a RMS rating of 80-100 RMS with a clean amp pushing at least 200 watts to the speakers. Again, preferably components or Mid bass drivers with horns. That would be optimal in my opinion based on months and months of research with countless set ups. Now. Can you get by with less? Sure you can! And it will sound damn good! But for guys looking to go next level. That would be my recommendation.
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After many months of testing speakers and amps for our sleds. I've came to the conclusion that your fairing speakers need to be components and or PA speakers with horns. The majority of the music you hear going down the road is going to come from the fairing speakers. Hence the fairing speakers are going to be the most important decision we make when choosing a sound system.
That said. I'm in agreement with my friend Haze on the type of speaker and the amount of power needed to power those speakers. All the rest of your speakers on the bike are basically "filler" speakers from the lowers, rear pods and saddle bags. So it stands to reason you want high quality speakers in the fairing with plenty of power. Now what I'm about to say goes against conventional wisdom but IMO those fairing speakers need to be mated with one powerful amp!! For example: Could you imagine what those Moto's would sound like in the fairing bridged to a JL MX500/4 @ 250 watts? Not saying that the Moto's are the best fairing speakers out there. But if you are going to run em in the fairing. That's what it takes to make em sing!!
So yeah. Your Moto's are a little underpowered with the SS amp. But we use that amp out of convenience because it's a budget 4 channel with good power. Getting back to my point. Fairing speakers need to be High sensitivity speakers 90db and above with a RMS rating of 80-100 RMS with a clean amp pushing at least 200 watts to the speakers. Again, preferably components or Mid bass drivers with horns. That would be optimal in my opinion based on months and months of research with countless set ups. Now. Can you get by with less? Sure you can! And it will sound damn good! But for guys looking to go next level. That would be my recommendation.
That said. I'm in agreement with my friend Haze on the type of speaker and the amount of power needed to power those speakers. All the rest of your speakers on the bike are basically "filler" speakers from the lowers, rear pods and saddle bags. So it stands to reason you want high quality speakers in the fairing with plenty of power. Now what I'm about to say goes against conventional wisdom but IMO those fairing speakers need to be mated with one powerful amp!! For example: Could you imagine what those Moto's would sound like in the fairing bridged to a JL MX500/4 @ 250 watts? Not saying that the Moto's are the best fairing speakers out there. But if you are going to run em in the fairing. That's what it takes to make em sing!!
So yeah. Your Moto's are a little underpowered with the SS amp. But we use that amp out of convenience because it's a budget 4 channel with good power. Getting back to my point. Fairing speakers need to be High sensitivity speakers 90db and above with a RMS rating of 80-100 RMS with a clean amp pushing at least 200 watts to the speakers. Again, preferably components or Mid bass drivers with horns. That would be optimal in my opinion based on months and months of research with countless set ups. Now. Can you get by with less? Sure you can! And it will sound damn good! But for guys looking to go next level. That would be my recommendation.
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
After many months of testing speakers and amps for our sleds. I've came to the conclusion that your fairing speakers need to be components and or PA speakers with horns. The majority of the music you hear going down the road is going to come from the fairing speakers. Hence the fairing speakers are going to be the most important decision we make when choosing a sound system.
That said. I'm in agreement with my friend Haze on the type of speaker and the amount of power needed to power those speakers. All the rest of your speakers on the bike are basically "filler" speakers from the lowers, rear pods and saddle bags. So it stands to reason you want high quality speakers in the fairing with plenty of power. Now what I'm about to say goes against conventional wisdom but IMO those fairing speakers need to be mated with one powerful amp!! For example: Could you imagine what those Moto's would sound like in the fairing bridged to a JL MX500/4 @ 250 watts? Not saying that the Moto's are the best fairing speakers out there. But if you are going to run em in the fairing. That's what it takes to make em sing!!
So yeah. Your Moto's are a little underpowered with the SS amp. But we use that amp out of convenience because it's a budget 4 channel with good power. Getting back to my point. Fairing speakers need to be High sensitivity speakers 90db and above with a RMS rating of 80-100 RMS with a clean amp pushing at least 200 watts to the speakers. Again, preferably components or Mid bass drivers with horns. That would be optimal in my opinion based on months and months of research with countless set ups. Now. Can you get by with less? Sure you can! And it will sound damn good! But for guys looking to go next level. That would be my recommendation.
That said. I'm in agreement with my friend Haze on the type of speaker and the amount of power needed to power those speakers. All the rest of your speakers on the bike are basically "filler" speakers from the lowers, rear pods and saddle bags. So it stands to reason you want high quality speakers in the fairing with plenty of power. Now what I'm about to say goes against conventional wisdom but IMO those fairing speakers need to be mated with one powerful amp!! For example: Could you imagine what those Moto's would sound like in the fairing bridged to a JL MX500/4 @ 250 watts? Not saying that the Moto's are the best fairing speakers out there. But if you are going to run em in the fairing. That's what it takes to make em sing!!
So yeah. Your Moto's are a little underpowered with the SS amp. But we use that amp out of convenience because it's a budget 4 channel with good power. Getting back to my point. Fairing speakers need to be High sensitivity speakers 90db and above with a RMS rating of 80-100 RMS with a clean amp pushing at least 200 watts to the speakers. Again, preferably components or Mid bass drivers with horns. That would be optimal in my opinion based on months and months of research with countless set ups. Now. Can you get by with less? Sure you can! And it will sound damn good! But for guys looking to go next level. That would be my recommendation.
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First off let me thank Gannacius,haze sbates,taillwind and others,You gents are so helpful.At this point with alpine 9886m,pn41000d 4 602s fairing-lowers and now adding 6900 pros in lids I want to make sure I make the most logical step for my 2nd fairing amp.I have done some homework and think the CV b52 would work well powering the fairing 602s then using pn41000d for lowers-lids tough decision,kinda stuck here. Thanks Paul
if you don't mind losing a little space in your bag get a 4 channel amp that can run 2 ohms
like Alpine Pdx 150x4 .2 ohms 4 speakers front and 4 ohms 2 6/9 in the back , it will be cleaner and louder. i was running this setup since 2006 . and installed 6 system like this for some of my friends . but a newer version of alpine pdx . you can even run same amp running 8 4 ohms speakers . 4 6.5 front and 4 6/9's in the back. Their is some amps that can do the same . but for a good price range alpine PDX 150x 4 is on top of it.
like Alpine Pdx 150x4 .2 ohms 4 speakers front and 4 ohms 2 6/9 in the back , it will be cleaner and louder. i was running this setup since 2006 . and installed 6 system like this for some of my friends . but a newer version of alpine pdx . you can even run same amp running 8 4 ohms speakers . 4 6.5 front and 4 6/9's in the back. Their is some amps that can do the same . but for a good price range alpine PDX 150x 4 is on top of it.
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