Another newb help me with audio post.
Road Warrior
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To set this up, I had BT 6x9's on for 2 seasons, musical and accurate. I tried the Pioneer pro's next...lasted about a week...LOUD but BRASH...for example turned Santana's sweet sounding guitar into a screeching mess!! Next came VO's loud and smooth, with great mid bass punch for a 6x9, complimented the BT 7.1's pods on my rear platform still running them!! Oh yeah I got a nice pair of Pro's for sale...PM me if interested...lol "Everybody hears thing differently" lot of people luv the Pro's!!
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Road Warrior
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Ok, so I got all the parts either ordered or already delivered, looking to start on the install tomorrow afternoon, and finish up by the end of Saturday.
In reading instructions, I see that the sni 35s have gain output pots. The input sensitivity on the sound stream amp is up to 6v. I assume that I want to be as close to the max, without getting distortion as possible. I understand how to set the gains on amp to match rms on speakers, I am assuming I can measure volts at rca jacks on sni 35, at around 3/4 volume, and aim for around 5 volts? Would this be done with a 50hz sample disc also?
I then assume I would set gains on amp using the same 50hz signal, and adjust gains, with speakers disconnected, adjusting to the rms of speakers. After all that is set, hook up speakers and play music, and dial back gains on SNI 35s if there is any distortion?
Is this the correct way or am I over thinking?
In reading instructions, I see that the sni 35s have gain output pots. The input sensitivity on the sound stream amp is up to 6v. I assume that I want to be as close to the max, without getting distortion as possible. I understand how to set the gains on amp to match rms on speakers, I am assuming I can measure volts at rca jacks on sni 35, at around 3/4 volume, and aim for around 5 volts? Would this be done with a 50hz sample disc also?
I then assume I would set gains on amp using the same 50hz signal, and adjust gains, with speakers disconnected, adjusting to the rms of speakers. After all that is set, hook up speakers and play music, and dial back gains on SNI 35s if there is any distortion?
Is this the correct way or am I over thinking?
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Ok, so I got all the parts either ordered or already delivered, looking to start on the install tomorrow afternoon, and finish up by the end of Saturday.
In reading instructions, I see that the sni 35s have gain output pots. The input sensitivity on the sound stream amp is up to 6v. I assume that I want to be as close to the max, without getting distortion as possible. I understand how to set the gains on amp to match rms on speakers, I am assuming I can measure volts at rca jacks on sni 35, at around 3/4 volume, and aim for around 5 volts? Would this be done with a 50hz sample disc also?
I then assume I would set gains on amp using the same 50hz signal, and adjust gains, with speakers disconnected, adjusting to the rms of speakers. After all that is set, hook up speakers and play music, and dial back gains on SNI 35s if there is any distortion?
Is this the correct way or am I over thinking?
In reading instructions, I see that the sni 35s have gain output pots. The input sensitivity on the sound stream amp is up to 6v. I assume that I want to be as close to the max, without getting distortion as possible. I understand how to set the gains on amp to match rms on speakers, I am assuming I can measure volts at rca jacks on sni 35, at around 3/4 volume, and aim for around 5 volts? Would this be done with a 50hz sample disc also?
I then assume I would set gains on amp using the same 50hz signal, and adjust gains, with speakers disconnected, adjusting to the rms of speakers. After all that is set, hook up speakers and play music, and dial back gains on SNI 35s if there is any distortion?
Is this the correct way or am I over thinking?
Edit: Nevermind. Went back to the beginning of the thread. Wow this thread started Oct 16, 2017!! Anyway what do you have now in regard to speakers and amps? HU? How many speakers? How many amps?
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Road Warrior
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Way overthinking bro! First of all. What Bike? What components? And what are you trying to do?
Edit: Nevermind. Went back to the beginning of the thread. Wow this thread started Oct 16, 2017!! Anyway what do you have now in regard to speakers and amps? HU? How many speakers? How many amps?
Edit: Nevermind. Went back to the beginning of the thread. Wow this thread started Oct 16, 2017!! Anyway what do you have now in regard to speakers and amps? HU? How many speakers? How many amps?
yeah its a long read. Had other work that took priority over sound on the bike last winter.
2002 Electra Glide. Factory radio with cd and cb
Here is what I settled on, keeping the head head unit (will change it out with next winter project), the sni 35 LOC, the Polk MM 652s in fairing, pioneer pro 6900 in lids for bags, and the SS pn4 1000 for amp.
What I am trying to accomplish, is setting the gains on the SNI 35s to be as close to max input as the amp will receive, which is 6v. Then set the gains on the amp, so the amp will not push more than the speakers can maintain.
I was gonna set the polks at 100w each, and the pioneers at 125w each. Ive read here and other places that the pioneers can safely handle 125w and more.
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yeah its a long read. Had other work that took priority over sound on the bike last winter.
2002 Electra Glide. Factory radio with cd and cb
Here is what I settled on, keeping the head head unit (will change it out with next winter project), the sni 35 LOC, the Polk MM 652s in fairing, pioneer pro 6900 in lids for bags, and the SS pn4 1000 for amp.
What I am trying to accomplish, is setting the gains on the SNI 35s to be as close to max input as the amp will receive, which is 6v. Then set the gains on the amp, so the amp will not push more than the speakers can maintain.
I was gonna set the polks at 100w each, and the pioneers at 125w each. Ive read here and other places that the pioneers can safely handle 125w and more.
https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...4aAoLqEALw_wcB
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Road Warrior
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Leave The SNI-35's in the default position and set the gains using the amp. The SNI-35 is passive and will only convert your signal to low level input with RCA's. You're not going to get any more voltage from the HU than what the HU produces. 2V is all you got to work with bro. To increase voltage with the stock HU and increase your signal you would have to get something like this:
https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...4aAoLqEALw_wcB
https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...4aAoLqEALw_wcB
The pots on the SNI are all the way down. The instructions for the SNI say To adjust, set the radios volume to 2/3 full and adjust the SanI-35s pots clockwise to increase the volume level.
i just want to make sure the SNI is putting out less than 6v to amp. If it only puts out 2v, I should be able to increase input sensitivity to make the signal hotter, right?
then make all my final adjustments with gains on amp.
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What u care about imho is that ur not throwing a distorted signal to the amp and obviously the speakers.
50% on the PAC SNI is generally a good spot to be. If u want to conduct a deep dive u could always get ur hands on an SMD DD1 or other distortion detection device and start at the HU and work ur way thru the SNI and also the amp but the 50% or half way seems to be a pretty well established or accepted practice.
As Gann indicated, u might be thinking a little deep on this but if u want the exposure / education to what is happening behind the curtain electrically then by all means jump into the deep end and please let us know what u find.
T.
50% on the PAC SNI is generally a good spot to be. If u want to conduct a deep dive u could always get ur hands on an SMD DD1 or other distortion detection device and start at the HU and work ur way thru the SNI and also the amp but the 50% or half way seems to be a pretty well established or accepted practice.
As Gann indicated, u might be thinking a little deep on this but if u want the exposure / education to what is happening behind the curtain electrically then by all means jump into the deep end and please let us know what u find.
T.
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Road Warrior
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You are correct, what i I am ideally looking for is a signal to amp, that is less than the 6v max input for the amp, and a signal that is undistorted.
Sounds like around 50% power on the SNI is where I want to be. Thanks.
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Thanks. This is what I was looking for. Maybe I didnt phrase it correctly. Im not looking to go all out crazy testing everything. I was just trying to see how to set the levels on the SNI, I figured a volt test on multi meter would be easy enough.
You are correct, what i I am ideally looking for is a signal to amp, that is less than the 6v max input for the amp, and a signal that is undistorted.
Sounds like around 50% power on the SNI is where I want to be. Thanks.
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Road Warrior
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Okay - One more time. YOUR AMPLIFIER GETS IT'S INPUT SIGNALS FROM YOUR RECEIVERS OUTPUT. In this case 2V from the stock HU. That's it. Leave the SNI-35 in the DEFAULT position. Set the gains at the amp. If you are less than impressed with your system. Gan is not to blame. I attempted to explain to the best of my ability.
The default position of the potentiometers on the SNI 35s I recieved are turned all the way down, so they are not pushing any signal. I am just trying to make sure I am not over driving signal to the amp. It sounds like the 1/2 way setting on the SNI will get me to where I need to be.
If I am getting distortion to the amp I can dial it back.
final adjustment are made using the gains on the amp. Easy peasy