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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 11:24 AM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say your results were more than likely self induced. I would advise paying someone to do your gain setting and tuning.
Frequency and gain is not Rocket science....I am disappointed that after all this time you still think everyone is that stupid. I did everything possible from manually tuning to using a DMM to calculate where the gain should be. After that used a DSP to see if I could clean it up. It is not self induced. Once the rear speakers suddenly dropped highs (as I was tuning frequency) I knew there was an issue with the amp. Since they were so nice as to refund my money for the amp....I decided to go with what I know that works really well for the application. The stinger was not put together that well either.... the frequency starts at 40 and stops at 400 with no indication of what is in between, only estimation. All of the adjustments were off center...meaning they were not put together well and didn't line up with the holes. Overall I was not impressed with this right out of the box and less impressed after actually using it. At $349 there are better options.

I will update after the RF is installed.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 11:57 AM
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if using the stock HU, you'll need a line convertor..sni-35. Ask me how I know. I have almost the same set up and with DSP is absolutely tons better than any stock out there.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 12:14 PM
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Did your amp come with a certification for each channel? I spoke to Stinger about that when I got mine and they said whoever tests the amp fills out that certificate and packs the amp. Saying that, the amp would have to be damaged in shipping.
 

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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocket67
Frequency and gain is not Rocket science....I am disappointed that after all this time you still think everyone is that stupid. I did everything possible from manually tuning to using a DMM to calculate where the gain should be. After that used a DSP to see if I could clean it up. It is not self induced. Once the rear speakers suddenly dropped highs (as I was tuning frequency) I knew there was an issue with the amp. Since they were so nice as to refund my money for the amp....I decided to go with what I know that works really well for the application. The stinger was not put together that well either.... the frequency starts at 40 and stops at 400 with no indication of what is in between, only estimation. All of the adjustments were off center...meaning they were not put together well and didn't line up with the holes. Overall I was not impressed with this right out of the box and less impressed after actually using it. At $349 there are better options.

I will update after the RF is installed.
Never once said you were stupid. Not everyone can grasp gain settings, frequencies, and especially DSP settings and functions. You losing high frequency on the rear speakers has nothing to do with the amp. It has to do with DSP settings and functions. Just curious if you had the the HPF set on the amp or were you running the amp crossover on flat?
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 12:26 PM
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It sounds like if there are no highs but mids sound good then it is a tuning issue but since you sent it back, who knows. You very well could have had a bad amp. I got a bad one once and had to send it back. The stinger is a solid performer but as with anything you can get a bad one. I ran a tm400 for a long time as the guys here will attest too and the second i replaced it with the stinger, hands down better sound and volume. I am just now replacing it with a sd 1200.4 and I will see if there is any difference. If i dont like it after tuning it then it will come out. As far as going back to a rf amp, I as others have stated, a step backwards but if thats what will work for you then go for it.
 

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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 12:28 PM
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Her's my thoughts even though it doesn't matter now.
1- bad amp
2- using LPF instead of HPF on amp
3- counterfeit amp?
4- when using DSP are the input settings correct?
5- what flash is actually on the head unit?
Most likely its a bad amp which sucks for you because it really is a great amp and it seems you paid the high price for it.
I hope the new amp works for you this time.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 12:30 PM
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I installed a Kenwood HU, Stinger amp, Mmats speakers in the fairing and WDX Moto speakers in the lowers. I wasn't satisfied with the sound but I know my issue was self induced. I just didn't want to take the time to learn how to tune it. I contacted one of the professionals here on the forum and he suggested I install a Dayton DSP and then bring it to him for tuning. So that's what I did and after he tuned it I am completely satisfied. It kicks azz now! I plan to add 6x9's in the lids over the winter and it will go back to him in the spring to tune those. It's amazing what someone that knows what they are doing can do with these sound systems!
 
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Old Jul 13, 2020 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarydog
Her's my thoughts even though it doesn't matter now.
1- bad amp
going to see if this was the issue
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2- using LPF instead of HPF on amp
No, I definitely did not do this. I tried going back to AP after the highs went away and it didn't change the sound at all. Clicked back through all settings and back to HP to see if that did anything, no change.
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3- counterfeit amp?
They refunded me my money so doesn't matter now. I did buy on Amazon though, should be legit.
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4- when using DSP are the input settings correct?
Yes, this problem was before, during and after the DSP was installed. I updated online then went through the setup to make sure it was set for 4 channel. I did get some differences when adjusting, just not enough to make it sound right.
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5- what flash is actually on the head unit?
RF Flash done by a Harley Dealer that is also a RF Authorized dealer. It worked great on the PBR300x2 I had on before I added rear speakers and the Stinger amp.
Originally Posted by Scarydog
Most likely its a bad amp which sucks for you because it really is a great amp and it seems you paid the high price for it.
They already refunded my money and my new RF amp will be here Wednesday. No worries, I have XM Radio and speakers in my helmet.

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I hope the new amp works for you this time.
Thanks, I am sure it will, RF makes a good product and I am really interested to see how this works with the clipping sensor on the input and output. My buddy got a HogWorks 200W 4 speaker kit on clearance for $349 and they forgot to ship a cable so they sent cable and gave him another $100 off. So for $249 his system was sounding better than mine. I should be able to blow his handlebars off.... Hopefully this will do the trick.

Another thought I had...there is no 2ohm/4ohm switch and both speakers are 4ohm....maybe something internal was not processing that correctly. It was odd that even at low volumes with the gain very conservatively set, I was still getting distortion. The Mmats had less bass than my Boom 1 (stock) speakers. There had to be something really wrong in the system and it is unlikely that all 4 speakers would be bad from the factory.
 

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Originally Posted by travelingypsye
It sounds like if there are no highs but mids sound good then it is a tuning issue but since you sent it back, who knows. You very well could have had a bad amp. I got a bad one once and had to send it back. The stinger is a solid performer but as with anything you can get a bad one. I ran a tm400 for a long time as the guys here will attest too and the second i replaced it with the stinger, hands down better sound and volume. I am just now replacing it with a sd 1200.4 and I will see if there is any difference. If i dont like it after tuning it then it will come out. As far as going back to a rf amp, I as others have stated, a step backwards but if thats what will work for you then go for it.
The highs just quit all of the sudden. When I first installed the system were there, I actually notice it when they quit and it was both at the same time. MIds are muffled as well as bass. I asked for a replacement but they were backordered so I got a refund. My PBR300x2 was a solid performer so I expect the TM400X4ad to be at least as good if not better. I have decided to get the plug-n-play kit if this works and eliminate some of the under-fairing wiring as well.
 
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it will do you justice while running the coax setup but that amp can only do so much. With the mmats and tms's in the lids you should be happy.
 
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