Biketronics BT7P1
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You're not reading it @ db's @ 1 watt.They all LOOK like they're above 90,......but using @ 2.83 volts,..makes the numbers look better.
Just a marketing ploy that was started to compare apples and pineapples !
As an example: 92.5 dB at 2.83 volts is the same as 89.5 dB at 1 watt
See how that works ??? Sneaky sneaky !!
AS I said before,...it doesn't mean that it won't sound good,......it'll just take more power to get it there.
Just a marketing ploy that was started to compare apples and pineapples !
As an example: 92.5 dB at 2.83 volts is the same as 89.5 dB at 1 watt
See how that works ??? Sneaky sneaky !!
AS I said before,...it doesn't mean that it won't sound good,......it'll just take more power to get it there.
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From: OHIO......UGH !!
For example,...........I buy the Biggest milk jug available, 128 ounces.. You guys that don't know better, probably buy 4 quarts......
It sounds like I got a better deal, because I got 128 of something......same difference.....
Speaker specs were never measured at 2.83 volts,..............but since it produces a higher number, SOME use it now,.....to try to 'measure up' with the speakers that DO put up those numbers......
I hope this clears things up for you.
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From: OHIO......UGH !!
Maybe a better analogy would be,....................I tell everyone that my car does 70 !!! They all know that I'm talking about miles per hour.........
You know your car only does 55 (mph), but you tell everyone it does 88 !!!
They think you have a BAD *** FAST car..............In small print, you put kilometers per hour ........
Make more sense ??
You know your car only does 55 (mph), but you tell everyone it does 88 !!!
They think you have a BAD *** FAST car..............In small print, you put kilometers per hour ........
Make more sense ??
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From: Joliet IL.
The efficiency numbers on those speakers all spec out to below 90db @ 1 watt.......... Weird that the 6X9 has the highest effiency rating..... too bad the frequency isn't lower........
IIRC,.........Nutz has stated MANY times that he wouldn't buy a speker that spec'd out below 90.
As a barometer,....I think the Polk MM's are at/close to 94.........
Doesn't mean they can't sound good,......just means it takes some pushin' to get them there.
IIRC,.........Nutz has stated MANY times that he wouldn't buy a speker that spec'd out below 90.
As a barometer,....I think the Polk MM's are at/close to 94.........
Doesn't mean they can't sound good,......just means it takes some pushin' to get them there.
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From: OHIO......UGH !!
The 6X9's are the most efficient, as I said. That's kinda weird. Just which they had a much lower frequency...........
The measurement 2.83volts is 1watt with an 8ohm load....so..........
A speaker 3 dB less sensitive will require twice as much power to play at the same level. You would have to put 100 watts into a speaker rated at 86 dB 1w@1m to get it to play at the same level as a 92 dB speaker with 25 watts input.
The example just shows how exponentially vast the difference of 'efficiency' ratings really is !! I just wish that the vendors would all use the same scale, as to not 'fool' anyone.
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The measurement 2.83volts is 1watt with an 8ohm load....so..........
A speaker 3 dB less sensitive will require twice as much power to play at the same level. You would have to put 100 watts into a speaker rated at 86 dB 1w@1m to get it to play at the same level as a 92 dB speaker with 25 watts input.
The example just shows how exponentially vast the difference of 'efficiency' ratings really is !! I just wish that the vendors would all use the same scale, as to not 'fool' anyone.
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Last edited by GLACIERPEARL; Apr 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM.
Fellas,
I'm just looking to do one solid simple system with my stock HK HU. My plan was 2 stes of the Polks DB651 and the SS 520. Now I see you talking about the Bikertonics 7.1 speakers. Would the 7.1's & Polks in pods sound better?
I'm just looking to do one solid simple system with my stock HK HU. My plan was 2 stes of the Polks DB651 and the SS 520. Now I see you talking about the Bikertonics 7.1 speakers. Would the 7.1's & Polks in pods sound better?
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Call Biketronics and ask for them. Orderd mine last week. expecting them this week for a weekend install.
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From: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
yeah they're not on the website yet so you'll have to call and tell them what you want.
Also again, the adapter rings are NOT available yet for the road glides.
Also again, the adapter rings are NOT available yet for the road glides.
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sorry guys. been out in the hill country all weekend.
exactly what GP said here.. and in retrospect the reason I recommended the BT 6.5" Titan II is because they can handle power and although their speakers are rated at 2.83v, as GP stated it take more power to push them to the same equal point and the SS as well as other amps have the power to drive them so no real concerns on my end.
exactly what GP said here.. and in retrospect the reason I recommended the BT 6.5" Titan II is because they can handle power and although their speakers are rated at 2.83v, as GP stated it take more power to push them to the same equal point and the SS as well as other amps have the power to drive them so no real concerns on my end.
You're not reading it @ db's @ 1 watt.They all LOOK like they're above 90,......but using @ 2.83 volts,..makes the numbers look better.
Just a marketing ploy that was started to compare apples and pineapples !
As an example: 92.5 dB at 2.83 volts is the same as 89.5 dB at 1 watt
See how that works ??? Sneaky sneaky !!
AS I said before,...it doesn't mean that it won't sound good,......it'll just take more power to get it there.
Just a marketing ploy that was started to compare apples and pineapples !
As an example: 92.5 dB at 2.83 volts is the same as 89.5 dB at 1 watt
See how that works ??? Sneaky sneaky !!
AS I said before,...it doesn't mean that it won't sound good,......it'll just take more power to get it there.