The Official 2014 audio upgrade thread
Road Master
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Alright guys read all 20 pages of the thread. Don't think I've seen anyone address a 2014 SG with lowers. I'm trying to do an upgrade on my fairing speakers and add speakers to the lowers. The kit for the lowers I believe is $279. Since I wanted to do my own speakers for the lowers, my HD buddy got me all the part #'s I would need to do the kit minus the speakers. He said that he cannot as of yet order the parts separately. It is only available as the kit. Has anyone done this yet?
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I purchased the lowers kit from Harley, and then installed the J&M 500w amp for the 6-speaker system ,,,,,, I am already more than impressed ,,,,,,,
we will have this J&M ROKKER XX Harley StreetGlide on display next weekend in Daytona Beach at Rossmeyer's HD, exit 273 off of I-95 ,,,,, south end of the vendor lot ,,,,
we will have this J&M ROKKER XX Harley StreetGlide on display next weekend in Daytona Beach at Rossmeyer's HD, exit 273 off of I-95 ,,,,, south end of the vendor lot ,,,,
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Red eye,
The 7.1s will NOT fit in the new 14 fairings. The Titan II 6.5's will (I have them in mine) with a little modification. When you call biketronics ask to speak with bill and he will modify them in house to fit. It's just a countersink of the mounting ring screws...as for the lowers the 7.1s are out also. Being you said you like R&B and rap mostly, I'll go ahead and assume you like your bass. The BEST bass you'll find out of a bike are the pioneer 6x9s that Ultra Nutz, Glacier Pearl and a few others have used in their saddlebag lids. Sadly I don't know of a vendor that offers 6x9 lids for the 14's yet. (I'm waiting on Pez over at hogtunes to develop and put his out). The polks are great, and maybe by now the issues with their tweeter stalk problems have been worked out. You can't go wrong with the titans again though in the lowers. As for a 4 channel that will fit in the fairing and power more than 4 speakers and won't effect FM, I'd have to say the BT4180. That's what I'm running in mine. Bill at BT has professional audio installers using that amp to run 8 speaker set ups with amazing results...DO call and talk to Bill. Tell him I sent you. He knows me as Chris J. He WILL take care of you and will answer any questions you may have. When chatting with him tell him what your budget is like and I can guarantee that he will help you out on pricing....but you have to ask. Feel free to reach out to me if you need anymore help. I've been through most of this with the 14's twice over already and will help as much as I can.
The 7.1s will NOT fit in the new 14 fairings. The Titan II 6.5's will (I have them in mine) with a little modification. When you call biketronics ask to speak with bill and he will modify them in house to fit. It's just a countersink of the mounting ring screws...as for the lowers the 7.1s are out also. Being you said you like R&B and rap mostly, I'll go ahead and assume you like your bass. The BEST bass you'll find out of a bike are the pioneer 6x9s that Ultra Nutz, Glacier Pearl and a few others have used in their saddlebag lids. Sadly I don't know of a vendor that offers 6x9 lids for the 14's yet. (I'm waiting on Pez over at hogtunes to develop and put his out). The polks are great, and maybe by now the issues with their tweeter stalk problems have been worked out. You can't go wrong with the titans again though in the lowers. As for a 4 channel that will fit in the fairing and power more than 4 speakers and won't effect FM, I'd have to say the BT4180. That's what I'm running in mine. Bill at BT has professional audio installers using that amp to run 8 speaker set ups with amazing results...DO call and talk to Bill. Tell him I sent you. He knows me as Chris J. He WILL take care of you and will answer any questions you may have. When chatting with him tell him what your budget is like and I can guarantee that he will help you out on pricing....but you have to ask. Feel free to reach out to me if you need anymore help. I've been through most of this with the 14's twice over already and will help as much as I can.
Last edited by mikeman54; Mar 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM. Reason: wrong wording
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Regardless of which speakers you end up with, I don't believe there is a better amp kit for the 2014s than the J&M ROKKER XTP unit ,,,, see http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail....MP-500HC14-SGP ,,,,,
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Hi Monty,
Thanks for all the input and letting us all benefit from your experience. I am also a big fan of the Biketronics line. I can't justify buying anything else when the Biketronics warranty is forever! I would have a hard time spending $600 to $900 on an amp with a 1 or 2 year warranty when Biketronics products are top tier, time tested and super powerful with similar prices. I like knowing that it's the last time I'll ever have to buy an amplifier or speaker for that matter. I'm not criticizing anybody's choice because there are lots of options just my 2 cents. I just had a couple of questions. on your previous post. I notice Glacier and a bunch of you other guys running the Pioneers in the bags. The speakers get amazing reviews but I just don't see them specified as waterproof or marine. Are they? If not have you guys had any trouble with them moisture-wise? My second question is have you ever heard the Titan II 6x9's mounted in similar fashion? I'm just wondering if the Bass would be as good as people have found these Pioneers to be and I'd still be all Biketronics with lifetime warranty. I'm waiting for Hogtunes to release the 2014 saddlebag lids so I can put 1 6x9 in the bottom of the bag and one in the lid and run them in parallel off the back channel of the BT4180 like the fairring fronts and fairing lower speakers run off the front channel. With that setup I'd retain more of the floor space in my bag. Any thoughts my friend? Thanks in advance for fielding my questions.
- Fatherwayne
Thanks for all the input and letting us all benefit from your experience. I am also a big fan of the Biketronics line. I can't justify buying anything else when the Biketronics warranty is forever! I would have a hard time spending $600 to $900 on an amp with a 1 or 2 year warranty when Biketronics products are top tier, time tested and super powerful with similar prices. I like knowing that it's the last time I'll ever have to buy an amplifier or speaker for that matter. I'm not criticizing anybody's choice because there are lots of options just my 2 cents. I just had a couple of questions. on your previous post. I notice Glacier and a bunch of you other guys running the Pioneers in the bags. The speakers get amazing reviews but I just don't see them specified as waterproof or marine. Are they? If not have you guys had any trouble with them moisture-wise? My second question is have you ever heard the Titan II 6x9's mounted in similar fashion? I'm just wondering if the Bass would be as good as people have found these Pioneers to be and I'd still be all Biketronics with lifetime warranty. I'm waiting for Hogtunes to release the 2014 saddlebag lids so I can put 1 6x9 in the bottom of the bag and one in the lid and run them in parallel off the back channel of the BT4180 like the fairring fronts and fairing lower speakers run off the front channel. With that setup I'd retain more of the floor space in my bag. Any thoughts my friend? Thanks in advance for fielding my questions.
- Fatherwayne
Red eye,
The 7.1s will NOT fit in the new 14 fairings. The Titan II 6.5's will (I have them in mine) with a little modification. When you call biketronics ask to speak with bill and he will modify them in house to fit. It's just a countersink of the mounting ring screws...as for the lowers the 7.1s are out also. Being you said you like R&B and rap mostly, I'll go ahead and assume you like your bass. The BEST bass you'll find out of a bike are the pioneer 6x9s that Ultra Nutz, Glacier Pearl and a few others have used in their saddlebag lids. Sadly I don't know of a vendor that offers 6x9 lids for the 14's yet. (I'm waiting on Pez over at hogtunes to develop and put his out). The polks are great, and maybe by now the issues with their tweeter stalk problems have been worked out. You can't go wrong with the titans again though in the lowers. As for a 4 channel that will fit in the fairing and power more than 4 speakers and won't effect FM, I'd have to say the BT4180. That's what I'm running in mine. Bill at BT has professional audio installers using that amp to run 8 speaker set ups with amazing results...DO call and talk to Bill. Tell him I sent you. He knows me as Chris J. He WILL take care of you and will answer any questions you may have. When chatting with him tell him what your budget is like and I can guarantee that he will help you out on pricing....but you have to ask. Feel free to reach out to me if you need anymore help. I've been through most of this with the 14's twice over already and will help as much as I can.
The 7.1s will NOT fit in the new 14 fairings. The Titan II 6.5's will (I have them in mine) with a little modification. When you call biketronics ask to speak with bill and he will modify them in house to fit. It's just a countersink of the mounting ring screws...as for the lowers the 7.1s are out also. Being you said you like R&B and rap mostly, I'll go ahead and assume you like your bass. The BEST bass you'll find out of a bike are the pioneer 6x9s that Ultra Nutz, Glacier Pearl and a few others have used in their saddlebag lids. Sadly I don't know of a vendor that offers 6x9 lids for the 14's yet. (I'm waiting on Pez over at hogtunes to develop and put his out). The polks are great, and maybe by now the issues with their tweeter stalk problems have been worked out. You can't go wrong with the titans again though in the lowers. As for a 4 channel that will fit in the fairing and power more than 4 speakers and won't effect FM, I'd have to say the BT4180. That's what I'm running in mine. Bill at BT has professional audio installers using that amp to run 8 speaker set ups with amazing results...DO call and talk to Bill. Tell him I sent you. He knows me as Chris J. He WILL take care of you and will answer any questions you may have. When chatting with him tell him what your budget is like and I can guarantee that he will help you out on pricing....but you have to ask. Feel free to reach out to me if you need anymore help. I've been through most of this with the 14's twice over already and will help as much as I can.
The pioneers aren't marine but neither are the BT HATs not are the Kickers I'm running now. I've been in a TORRENTIAL downpour with them both with nary an issue. I don't put much weight on the marine thing...but that's me. If you take care of your scoot and don't let standing water collect on your bag speakers (I.e. Dump the lid after a rain storm) you should be fine. My one recommendation would be however; if you do find yourself in that situation, just kill the whole sound system while your riding in it. Just cheap insurance. It's not the wet so much as the wet + power. As for the BT 6x9s I have not used them yet, but UltraNutz has in addition to the pioneers. While he loves the BTs and says they put out a lot of bass, he says the pioneers are just a little bit better in the bass department. To my knowledge no one has found a speaker for that application that has unseated the pioneers in the bass category.
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Thanks for the reply. If glacier has been running his Pioneers for five years without a problem I'd probably be safe. I thought the the BT / HATs were waterproof because the HAT website says this... "Kits include a pair of coated steel frame two-way coaxials with water-proof paper cones proprietary to Hybrid Audio Technologies, high-energy ferrite magnets, 20mm soft-dome tweeters that swivel, integrated high-quality Mylar tweeter crossover capacitors, encased in a full-color gift box". I'll have to decide if I'm willing to give up a little bass to have the lifetime warranty. Thanks so much. I appreciate getting to hear of someone with real world BT Titan II 6x9 first hand experience.
The pioneers aren't marine but neither are the BT HATs not are the Kickers I'm running now. I've been in a TORRENTIAL downpour with them both with nary an issue. I don't put much weight on the marine thing...but that's me. If you take care of your scoot and don't let standing water collect on your bag speakers (I.e. Dump the lid after a rain storm) you should be fine. My one recommendation would be however; if you do find yourself in that situation, just kill the whole sound system while your riding in it. Just cheap insurance. It's not the wet so much as the wet + power. As for the BT 6x9s I have not used them yet, but UltraNutz has in addition to the pioneers. While he loves the BTs and says they put out a lot of bass, he says the pioneers are just a little bit better in the bass department. To my knowledge no one has found a speaker for that application that has unseated the pioneers in the bass category.
Last edited by Fatherwayne; Mar 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM. Reason: spelling error
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the J&Ms and Harley boom speakers for the 2014s have either a poly or woven fiber cone that doesn't need a "coating" to make them waterproof ,,,,,,
and when the speaker specs say "high-energy ferrite magnet" that means only that there is a large, heavy, inexpensive magnet on the speaker, instead of a high-flux strength rare-earth Neodymium magnet like is on the J&Ms, to reduce overall speaker weight and improve cone stabilization ,,,,,,
these are important comparisons that DO make a difference to the end user ,,,,,,,,
J&M ROKKER XX page for the 2014s here http://www.jmcorp.com/SeeProducts.asp?PF=49 ,,,,,,,,
and when the speaker specs say "high-energy ferrite magnet" that means only that there is a large, heavy, inexpensive magnet on the speaker, instead of a high-flux strength rare-earth Neodymium magnet like is on the J&Ms, to reduce overall speaker weight and improve cone stabilization ,,,,,,
these are important comparisons that DO make a difference to the end user ,,,,,,,,
J&M ROKKER XX page for the 2014s here http://www.jmcorp.com/SeeProducts.asp?PF=49 ,,,,,,,,
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JMJOHN,
You guys have an excellent product. PRICEY! but excellent none the less. I know you believe in your product so it surprises me that neither you nor Arc offers a lifetime warranty on the amplifier as Biketronics does. I have a hard time swallowing that after spending $859.00 and enjoying 2 riding seasons if the board, power supply etc fries on that amp I am responsible for the cost of repairs. Yet if I buy the Biketronics BT4180 and it quits on me in say October of the year..... 20-whatever, it's covered under warranty. Warranty coverages DO make a difference to the end user too. I'm not insinuating that your amp will give out in 2 years. Honestly I have never heard anyone say a bad word about it. Quite to the contrary people seem to love them and I have no affiliation with Biketronics whatsoever except for the use of their products but if it did crap out on me in 2 years it's my problem. Also it kind of feels like instead of posting to be helpful you kinda chimed in to bash another company's product and throw in a product link. I have never seen anyone from Biketronics post anything negative here about your product saying how tiny your magnets are etc. That kind of thing is off putting at least to me and I know you are too nice of a guy to come off like that. I have found if a product is great it will stand up on its merit without the need for mud slinging or bashing. I mean no disrespect. As I said you have quality products but why don't you guys extend a lifetime warranty on your amps?
You guys have an excellent product. PRICEY! but excellent none the less. I know you believe in your product so it surprises me that neither you nor Arc offers a lifetime warranty on the amplifier as Biketronics does. I have a hard time swallowing that after spending $859.00 and enjoying 2 riding seasons if the board, power supply etc fries on that amp I am responsible for the cost of repairs. Yet if I buy the Biketronics BT4180 and it quits on me in say October of the year..... 20-whatever, it's covered under warranty. Warranty coverages DO make a difference to the end user too. I'm not insinuating that your amp will give out in 2 years. Honestly I have never heard anyone say a bad word about it. Quite to the contrary people seem to love them and I have no affiliation with Biketronics whatsoever except for the use of their products but if it did crap out on me in 2 years it's my problem. Also it kind of feels like instead of posting to be helpful you kinda chimed in to bash another company's product and throw in a product link. I have never seen anyone from Biketronics post anything negative here about your product saying how tiny your magnets are etc. That kind of thing is off putting at least to me and I know you are too nice of a guy to come off like that. I have found if a product is great it will stand up on its merit without the need for mud slinging or bashing. I mean no disrespect. As I said you have quality products but why don't you guys extend a lifetime warranty on your amps?
the J&Ms and Harley boom speakers for the 2014s have either a poly or woven fiber cone that doesn't need a "coating" to make them waterproof ,,,,,,
and when the speaker specs say "high-energy ferrite magnet" that means only that there is a large, heavy, inexpensive magnet on the speaker, instead of a high-flux strength rare-earth Neodymium magnet like is on the J&Ms, to reduce overall speaker weight and improve cone stabilization ,,,,,,
these are important comparisons that DO make a difference to the end user ,,,,,,,,
J&M ROKKER XX page for the 2014s here http://www.jmcorp.com/SeeProducts.asp?PF=49 ,,,,,,,,
and when the speaker specs say "high-energy ferrite magnet" that means only that there is a large, heavy, inexpensive magnet on the speaker, instead of a high-flux strength rare-earth Neodymium magnet like is on the J&Ms, to reduce overall speaker weight and improve cone stabilization ,,,,,,
these are important comparisons that DO make a difference to the end user ,,,,,,,,
J&M ROKKER XX page for the 2014s here http://www.jmcorp.com/SeeProducts.asp?PF=49 ,,,,,,,,
