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Old May 14, 2010 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlin
I have not tried it but I have heard good things about adding by finishing off with E Z cream glaze and then Blackfire Wet Diamond.
Excellent combo, looks great. Still not a lasting solution if you have super-soft CC.

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But just to get you started I'd probably follow some of the advice above.Griots 6" polisher with additional 3" backing plate, 3" LC pads Orange, White and Grey and 16oz Megs 105 and 205.
You mean 4" pads? I know LC lists 3" pads on their Web site but I've never seen any vendor list 'em. The GG 3" polishing pad works OK, if you need some cut you need something else.

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Cheapest route: Try the glare first.
I picked up that Honda-branded Glare pro Polish I mentioned via PM on eBay for $16.50 + $6.50 shipping. She doesn't take PayPal so after a few inquiries we settled on an alternate method. Got the stuff in 2 days! Looking forward to doing a few test spots this weekend.

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Old May 14, 2010 | 10:42 PM
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Man, that's a nice cut n buff on that tank!

Originally Posted by xtremekustomz
The reason you are getting scratches is most likely from the wash process. Look in to Optimum No Rinse Wash and Shine, a soft microfiber for washing and a soft microfiber for drying.
Not necessarily so. Those of us that've been doing this a while use 2 buckets, grit guards, MF, sheepskin, high lubricity shampoos, ONR... even foam and blow dry. The swirls, at least in my case and others with H-D OEM Vivid Black, is due to super-soft clearcoat. Polished to perfection, burnished via rotary with PO85RD... not a mark to be found under halogen, Brinkmann or direct sunlight... give a wipe with a super-plush MF & FK425, UQD, even ONR @ QD strength and hit it with the Brinkmann and you just left marks. It's maddening. Don't even think of giving a dusty bike a QD wipedown!

Originally Posted by xtremekustomz
The best looking wax/sealant I've ever seen on black is from Blackfire. It's a 2 part system where you apply a coat of sealant then after a minimum of 8 hours a coat of pure carnuba wax.
That Midnight Sun combo does produce stunning results. Still, the CC is super-soft regardless of what LSP you use. I looked at the Glare blurbs as snake oil but I've seen enough reviews from initial doubters that report the Pro Polish seems to add a hardness to the finish I'm gonna give it a try. This from a guy that doesn't use glazes because I'd rather correct than hide it. If this doesn't work maybe it's time for a white bike. ::::gasp!:::

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Old May 15, 2010 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tlmitchell
...the CC is super-soft regardless of what LSP you use. I looked at the Glare blurbs as snake oil but I've seen enough reviews from initial doubters that report the Pro Polish seems to add a hardness...

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I'm a big Glare believer. The stuff works. However, I'm not swallowing all the manufacturers hype and it has it's place. Although, I am not familiar with the Vivid Black CC, from what tlmitchell says it sounds like it's VERY VERY soft.

I would find a test spot rub it in like compound until it's gone. Repeat if needed (at least once probably twice) then finally put it on like a layer of wax and buff off. It is not the shiniest stuff on the shelf but if it can remove rub marks and help make the CC stronger that would be a good thing.
 
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Old May 15, 2010 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tlmitchell
I've been leaning towards the GG 6" due to the PC's (v1) hand numbing vibration at high speeds. I hear the GG has less vibes but it's my thought you could probably use lower speeds and still keep the pad turning under pressure. The Meg's 110 v2 was under consideration but you just can't beat GG's Lifetime warranty.

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I have a PCxp and a GG 6" DA. The GG is smaller, stronger, a little heavier and IMHO has more vibration than the PCxp. I have found you can use a lot more pressure with the 6" GG and the pad will still turn. The 6" GG comes with a 6" backing plate and a lifetime warranty. IMHO, I would consider it a tool in between a PC and a Flex.
 
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Old May 15, 2010 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tlmitchell
You mean 4" pads? I know LC lists 3" pads on their Web site but I've never seen any vendor list 'em. The GG 3" polishing pad works OK, if you need some cut you need something else.

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Good Call. Yepper your'e correct.
Thanks again for the correction.
 
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Old May 15, 2010 | 09:08 AM
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The best way to lessen the amount of fine scratches and swirls, is the way you wash. Use 2 buckets and 2 or 3 wash mitts. 1st bucket, soapy water. 2nd bucket, warm rinse water. Use a hose (NEVER a pressure washer) to rinse any loose dirt from your bike. Using a wool wash mitt, wash an area with soapy water. Stop. Before you put the wash mitt back into the soapy water, rinse it in the clean water. Shake it vigorously in the rinse water and ring out any extra water. This process removes any fine particles that were picked up by the wash mitt. Now you can safely put the mitt back into the soapy water. If the wash mitt touches the ground or gets oil on it, get a fresh one. I've washed hundreds of Vivid black bikes and this process really helps. You can safely put the wash mitts in a washing machine and drier, avoid using fabric softener.
 
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Old May 15, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlin
I'm a big Glare believer. The stuff works. However, I'm not swallowing all the manufacturers hype and it has it's place. Although, I am not familiar with the Vivid Black CC, from what tlmitchell says it sounds like it's VERY VERY soft.

I would find a test spot rub it in like compound until it's gone. Repeat if needed (at least once probably twice) then finally put it on like a layer of wax and buff off. It is not the shiniest stuff on the shelf but if it can remove rub marks and help make the CC stronger that would be a good thing.
I gave the Glare a quickie look last night on a test spot on a black Hyundai. The tin on this thing is a joy, moderately hard CC, doesn't swirl easily and defects polish right out nicely. The plastic bits on the bumpers and lower side panels are soft, not nearly as bad as H-D's VB though. Used as instructed the Glare made a huge improvement although it didn't remove al the swirls. What was left was much less noticeable and the stuff leaves a nice crisp finish. As we discussed previously, IF this stuff is going to improve swirl resistance it'd be best used after a machine polish to remove the defects. We'll see what we see sometime in the next week or so.

A little additional info on the Vivd Black... the tin is the main PITA. The fiberglass/plastic isn't bad at all. The plastic stuff comes out of Wisconsin, the tanks are formed and painted in York. Even if it's the same formulation the paint and CC isn't from the same mix. I don't know if that would account for the variance or whether the paint takes on different properties on different surfaces. Funny, the tin's CC polishes like a harder finish. You've got to work to remove defects but it swirls so damn easily. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Merlin
I have a PCxp and a GG 6" DA. The GG is smaller, stronger, a little heavier and IMHO has more vibration than the PCxp. I have found you can use a lot more pressure with the 6" GG and the pad will still turn. The 6" GG comes with a 6" backing plate and a lifetime warranty. IMHO, I would consider it a tool in between a PC and a Flex.
Good feedback. I use the PC mostly for spot repairs and tight spots with 3 & 4" pads, working light cleaners and spreading sealants & wax so I'm not vibrating my hands off doing large panels with larger pads at high speed. I was thinking about moving to a GG or 110 V1 to get rid of vibrations but from everything I've gleaned I wouldn't be gaining much. I just got a 3403 rotary so the big jobs ought to go much easier and still not have to lug a heavy Dewalt or Makita around.

I just peddled a used-once Flex 3401 DA. Nice machine but being limited to large pads and the lack of an interchangeable backing plate was a serious handicap for the way I used it.


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Old May 15, 2010 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by WRAITH
The best way to lessen the amount of fine scratches and swirls, is the way you wash.
Absolutely agreed. Same regiman applies to any finish, hard or soft, CC or single stage.

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I've washed hundreds of Vivid black bikes and this process really helps.
The key word here is "helps". On a perfectly prepped Vivid Black surface however, you ought to be able to wipe off a high lubricity QD with a plush, high quality microfiber without leaving marks. On VB you cant'... at least I can't. This is my 3rd Vivid Black Ultra in 6 years, all have been the same PITA. You'd think I'd learn. Never had any problem with the metallics or other colors, just this miserably soft VB. :::shrug:::

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Black will always show scratches. Denim is the worst.
 
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Old May 15, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WRAITH
Denim is the worst.
And nothing you can do about it that I know of...

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