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no crap? you people are so simple minded.. you do know the primary and the motor are connected right? so if the motor is 30-40 degrees cooler doesn't it make sense that the primary will be cooler as well?
I think that you're making an assumption that could play out to ... maybe .... the exhaust will be cooler too? Not trying to ruffle your feathers, just that I think you're really stretching things a bit with lowering primary temperatures . :>)
Does nothing in hot ambient temps while in stop and go traffic, as it needs air across it to help it cool the oil. If it by chance was made with a fan then maybe. Living in a hot climate with traffic congestion I have not needed one on previous scooters. JMHO
totally untrue because if you do get stuck in traffic your oil will already be 30-40 degrees cooler that it would have been without the cooler, so you can sit in traffic for 5-10 minutes before it gets to "normal without a cooler" running temp..
totally untrue because if you do get stuck in traffic your oil will already be 30-40 degrees cooler that it would have been without the cooler, so you can sit in traffic for 5-10 minutes before it gets to "normal without a cooler" running temp..
First,
How do you know oil temps will climb to "Normal Without A Cooler" within 5-10 minutes. Have you seen this tested (before-30 to 40 degrees cooler, then after at hot idle) with a heat gun? It could easily be done on a dyno. Run it and run it with the dyno fan blowing on the motor on a hot day, measure temp without cooler, then add cooler with no other changes, repeat, then shut off dyno fan and keep bike running at idle. Measure heat gun temps again. Would love to see evidence of these oil cooler, and oil filter claims (love the one where the oil filter increases hp and torque).
Maybe it has been tested, I just haven't seen it.
Second,
What happens after that amount of time (could be only a couple minutes on a hot day at idle and stop and go in traffic) when temps climb to "normal"?
The motor temp will continue to climb and climb, with or without the cooler, that's what.
Only a good high cfm fan kicking in at idle would really make an difference (along with a top syn oil and quality tune, with all the restrictive heat producing exhaust and Intake stuff, thanks EPA, removed from stock).
As air cooled motors we need air to flow over the surface of the fins to cool it (except for VRods and 2015/16 wet head baggers).
First,
How do you know oil temps will climb to "Normal Without A Cooler" within 5-10 minutes. Have you seen this tested (before-30 to 40 degrees cooler, then after at hot idle) with a heat gun? It could easily be done on a dyno. Run it and run it with the dyno fan blowing on the motor on a hot day, measure temp without cooler, then add cooler with no other changes, repeat, then shut off dyno fan and keep bike running at idle. Measure heat gun temps again. Would love to see evidence of these oil cooler, and oil filter claims (love the one where the oil filter increases hp and torque).
Maybe it has been tested, I just haven't seen it.
Second,
What happens after that amount of time (could be only a couple minutes on a hot day at idle and stop and go in traffic) when temps climb to "normal"?
The motor temp will continue to climb and climb, with or without the cooler, that's what.
Only a good high cfm fan kicking in at idle would really make an difference (along with a top syn oil and quality tune, with all the restrictive heat producing exhaust and Intake stuff, thanks EPA, removed from stock).
As air cooled motors we need air to flow over the surface of the fins to cool it (except for VRods and 2015/16 wet head baggers).
I know 5-10 minutes because I've been stuck in traffic before and closely monitor my oil temp, it's not rocket science, no dyno needed. and the point is irreverent to the fact that the non-fan cooler does in fact help you if you get caught in traffic,
arguing that a cooler that keeps your oil 30-40 degrees cooler while cruising is worthless while stuck in traffic is idiotic, besides if I'm stuck in traffic for more than 2-3 minutes then I'm turning off the motor anyway.
I don't care for the fanned coolers simply because it seems like something that you would spend hours wiring up and then would work for about 4 months and then burn up or get full of dirt & break or get wet and then never work again or just break from all the vibrations it encounters. I'm just not convinced a plastic fan would be durable enough for motorcycle use, it seems like a gimmick.
I know 5-10 minutes because I've been stuck in traffic before and closely monitor my oil temp, it's not rocket science, no dyno needed. and the point is irreverent to the fact that the non-fan cooler does in fact help you if you get caught in traffic,
arguing that a cooler that keeps your oil 30-40 degrees cooler while cruising is worthless while stuck in traffic is idiotic, besides if I'm stuck in traffic for more than 2-3 minutes then I'm turning off the motor anyway.
I don't care for the fanned coolers simply because it seems like something that you would spend hours wiring up and then would work for about 4 months and then burn up or get full of dirt & break or get wet and then never work again or just break from all the vibrations it encounters. I'm just not convinced a plastic fan would be durable enough for motorcycle use, it seems like a gimmick.
Nope. 10 minutes if you do as instructions say. I did not. I ran my fan to the to aux power.... 30 minutes. Not a gimmick. Not a cheap fan either. Nice waterproof, rugged little fan. The fans for the downtube are ugly as sin. Ultracool has some really nice fans, especially the softail version. Its just like a metric.
The fan in your car is high grade plastic does the same exact thing to your radiator. Is that a gimmick? Turn that fan off and see what happens, Lol. yes we know the engines are not the same. But the principal remains. Fan assistance is better. Metrics use this on theirs and can sit idle /parade forever with no problems and run nice a cool at a constant temp.
We aren't that lucky yet but its coming. Hd is beginning to cave. Somehow the wetheads are revolutionary according to hd marketing.
The whole oil type vs oil cooler argument is weak. Yes you get lower temps with synthetic. Yes... ok. This accepted. The heat of the bike will still fluctuate and if you are sitting still, temp will still skyrocket. You are just buying time, as the oil temps will just be climbing from a lower temp. Not rocket science. Im not making an argument against synthetic.. i prefer it. It just part of the overall cooling equation.
*climbing onto soap box (run away now)*
I don't think cooling, not just oil coolers, is discussed enough. just look at the forums...:
constantly covered due to lack of search function usage:
stage 1 concerns, ACs, pipes
More hp
more tq
bigger engine
go faster
fitting parts for various riding styles
make bike pretty (~40% of content)
add ugly seats to calm the roids
metric bashing/ sporty bashing/ big twin bashing
What is rarely discussed:
braking mods
cooling mods
hooker usage
so you have a buncha sweaty, frustrated dudes that beat their wives (instead of proper hooker beatings) and ride around on overpowered easybake ovens that can't stop.
cooling outside of the touring forums is rarely discussed and when it is, some yahoo always comes out of the wood works to say, "if it was needed then it would be blah, blah, blah..." well, why is the moco stocking coolers for ever bike they make(- vrod&street)? What is the first thing you see when you open the gma2016 catalogue?
yes... an oil cooler with crooked, unglued cover, lol
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