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Originally Posted by HrdNox
Don't go crazy chasing numbers. There's way too many ways to get impressive numbers on a dyno.What you CAN control is the combination and the quality of the parts that go in. That,and a good solid tune is all you can ask for. Shopping for a "Happy Dyno" is a lost cause.
Agreed. The last bike I went dyno crazy on was a 2005 ZX12R. Do you know how frustrating it was to end up at 199 HP at the rear tire, and not get 200? We kept changing things, draining my bank account, torque would go up, HP would drop a couple...
Anyhow, I trust my butt dyno, now, and watch how fast my rear tire disintegrates, and how the front lifts on acceleration
I will always want more power, I just love powerful bikes. I will never be able to impress enough people on a big forum, though I always run out of cash, and patience.
 
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Originally Posted by HrdNox
Don't go crazy chasing numbers. There's way too many ways to get impressive numbers on a dyno.What you CAN control is the combination and the quality of the parts that go in. That,and a good solid tune is all you can ask for. Shopping for a "Happy Dyno" is a lost cause.
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Agreed. The last bike I went dyno crazy on was a 2005 ZX12R. Do you know how frustrating it was to end up at 199 HP at the rear tire, and not get 200? We kept changing things, draining my bank account, torque would go up, HP would drop a couple...
Anyhow, I trust my butt dyno, now, and watch how fast my rear tire disintegrates, and how the front lifts on acceleration
I will always want more power, I just love powerful bikes. I will never be able to impress enough people on a big forum, though I always run out of cash, and patience.
agreed, i will stop after the throttle bodies, i probably should have factored them in from the get go. lesson(s) learned.
 
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Finally ordered the TB after discovering that there were alreadey a slew of 58mm air cleaners out there, trying to track down which bikes have been using them.

"Fits '16-later FXDLS and Softail®, '14-later CVO™ Softail® and '14-'16 Touring and Trike models equipped with Screamin' Eagle® 58mm Throttle Body. Requires separate purchase of an Accessory Air Cleaner Cover. All EFI models require ECM calibration for proper installation. '17-later models require recalibration with Screamin' Eagle® Pro Street Tuner (sold separately). Labor cost not included. See Dealer for details."

i stumbled across a SE 58mm 29000029 (black) on ebay for $50 and 29000080 (chrome) after looking at the instructions here:

https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson....8?locale=en_US

most sites like board tracker and surdyke sell them for ~$55, the the ebay seller can keep his $50 unit. so a build my own setup, based on the plate, is an option. fun times.

some work ahead trying to find an A/C s&S is who i want to go with but no dice on getting a clear fitment response.... it looks like the the throttle hog bolt pattern is A shape and the SE bolt pattern is a V shape. the larger stealth A/Cs all say they are made for the throttle hog throttle body and no one at s&s was available to clear this up. fun times.

The 58mm manifold arrived too:

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I really wanted to use a S&S teardrop air cleaner but according to their catalog and a S&S rep I talked to they don't jive with the SE 58mm.
 
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I really wanted to use a S&S teardrop air cleaner but according to their catalog and a S&S rep I talked to they don't jive with the SE 58mm.
It's my favorite air cleaner. Old Skool Kustom! I always thought it would be hokey to use one with a Mikuni, but now that half my motor is S&S I'm rethinking...
 
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S&S confirmed my "findings" on the 58mm a/c good.

stealth ordered:

S&S Cycle Black Stealth Air Cleaner Kit without Cover For Use w/S&S 58mm Throttle Hog Throttle Body - 170-0164
https://www.denniskirk.com/s-and-s-c...prd/189265.sku


 
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58mm (27639-07b) throttle body appeared

This thing is huge and weighs a ton too. (get out of the gutter)



looks like Reindeer was 100% right. HD is wrong about their own shi*, again. MAP sensor and all others, are included.
 
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Do the SE 58mm and the S&S 58mm use the same AC bolt pattern? For some reason I though they were different. Could be wrong though. I guess you'll find out soon.
 
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Really curious to hear how this affects the dyno and rider experience.
 
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Really curious to hear how this affects the dyno and rider experience.
Me too. Changing the throttle body assumes it's the bottleneck in the system, which with the heads used it probably is. The factory 46mm looks positively tiny compared to the 58mm.
 


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