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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 03:37 PM
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Are you sure that the turn signal module will be able to handle the load driving two filament bulbs (F-R) at the same time without the rear brake/turn signal combination module? It wasn't designed to do that so there may be an issue there because that is what those modules are for.
Not a problem, it'll be just the rears and each circuit is separated in the R/B/T module.
 

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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RANGER73
Run/turn use separate filaments because turn are brighter than run. Separate filaments use separate wires. But brake/turn use the same filament.
I do believe that when my old stock tail (stop/tail/turn) lights went out (using dual element bulbs), I either had both brake and turn light function but no running or had running and lost brake/turn. Pretty sure one element is made for 12v which both the turn and brake supply and the other element only gets 6v for the run element.

I am wondering what is going on with the OP's harness. I can't find or remember earlier models having a blue w/ color stripe wires built into the harnesses. What it sounds like is he has obtained a newer harness much like the one in the pic below. OP, can you confirm, or maybe better yet provide a pic of the connection where the harness plugs (7B) into it mating harness under the seat. I would like to see if the colors of the wires are the same on both sides of the harness plug. The harness pictured below allows for the stop/turn (blue with stripe) and run (blue) function to be applied. If I am correct, you have a newer harness at this point, but when plugged into the stock harness it most likely won't work as planned. I really need a visual of what we are working with to confirm some information.

 
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by blueangel73
I do believe that when my old stock tail (stop/tail/turn) lights went out (using dual element bulbs), I either had both brake and turn light function but no running or had running and lost brake/turn. Pretty sure one element is made for 12v which both the turn and brake supply and the other element only gets 6v for the run element.

I am wondering what is going on with the OP's harness. I can't find or remember earlier models having a blue w/ color stripe wires built into the harnesses. What it sounds like is he has obtained a newer harness much like the one in the pic below. OP, can you confirm, or maybe better yet provide a pic of the connection where the harness plugs (7B) into it mating harness under the seat. I would like to see if the colors of the wires are the same on both sides of the harness plug. The harness pictured below allows for the stop/turn (blue with stripe) and run (blue) function to be applied. If I am correct, you have a newer harness at this point, but when plugged into the stock harness it most likely won't work as planned. I really need a visual of what we are working with to confirm some information.

Nope, the element is thinner for the turn/brake. The light is the element actually burning. The thinner the hotter it burns. It's ALL 12 volts.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 07:29 PM
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Nope, the element is thinner for the turn/brake. The light is the element actually burning. The thinner the hotter it burns. It's ALL 12 volts.
Your probably correct about the 12v, I've never really looked into the voltage part of the system. I have always strictly gone off of wiring schematics and paths taken for sources when building my harnesses for my bike. However, it doesn't change what I proposed about the way the signals are sent to the bulb, one element for the run signal and the other for either the brake or turn or a moldule/computer controlled combination, which is how the diagram shows it routing. What the diagram didn't show was where the signal comes from, does it come from a module or straight from the main harness and computer controlled and that's the info we need to solve the issue the OP wants to solve.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 07:51 PM
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Your probably correct about the 12v, I've never really looked into the voltage part of the system. I have always strictly gone off of wiring schematics and paths taken for sources when building my harnesses for my bike. However, it doesn't change what I proposed about the way the signals are sent to the bulb, one element for the run signal and the other for either the brake or turn or a moldule/computer controlled combination, which is how the diagram shows it routing. What the diagram didn't show was where the signal comes from, does it come from a module or straight from the main harness and computer controlled and that's the info we need to solve the issue the OP wants to solve.
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 07:55 PM
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Also In your schematic I don't see a wire for brake light. And it clearly states without center stop lamp.
 
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The center tail light is a dual filament bulb for run and brake. The OP has run turn strut lighting and run brake fender light. He if he wants the blinkers to function as brake lights too he needs a separate module.
 
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Originally Posted by RANGER73
Not a problem, it'll be just the rears ad each circuit is separated in the R/B/T module.
Sounds like you have it all figured out.

I was thinking of an older stock Dyna setup. The turn signal module doesn't mix the turn signals and brake lights are a separate circuit altogether. That is the purpose of the brake/turn mix module. I was thinking there may be an issue with the extra load on the brake circuit or current leak through the single filament turn signal bulbs. Weird **** can happen when you modify light circuits
 
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Old Sep 20, 2016 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by skinman13
Sounds like you have it all figured out.

I was thinking of an older stock Dyna setup. The turn signal module doesn't mix the turn signals and brake lights are a separate circuit altogether. That is the purpose of the brake/turn mix module. I was thinking there may be an issue with the extra load on the brake circuit or current leak through the single filament turn signal bulbs. Weird **** can happen when you modify light circuits
This stuff keeps me awake at night, but in a good way.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2016 | 08:13 PM
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I mentally work through things like this to get to sleep.
 
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