wrapped my Thunderheader
Tourer
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From: Central Missouri
Every primary exhaust pipe I have ever seen that was wrapped with that crap, (which unfortunately has been quite a few) cracked in many places and rusted to hell from wrapping them.
I work on race cars and have never seen that stuff since used in that application except for maybe 2 years back in the late 1980's when builders thought it made some form of difference.
It sure has made a revival with the "bobber" crowd. Oh vey.
Just something to consider when you wrap your $600 T-Header.
I work on race cars and have never seen that stuff since used in that application except for maybe 2 years back in the late 1980's when builders thought it made some form of difference.
It sure has made a revival with the "bobber" crowd. Oh vey.
Just something to consider when you wrap your $600 T-Header.
Good point Lama..........
I know TH produces produces one of the best performing exhaust, but this thread is not the first time I've heard of how horrible the ceramic looks. I wish TH would produce a better looking product for $600 so guys don't have to wrap them. I understand they are performance based but it's just bonus if they look kick @ss too.
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From: Graysville, AL
I have not seen any pipes wrapped correctly that were harmed, I have seen some that were not done right or maintained that looked like crap.
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Road Master
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From: Irving-Texas
I found the instructions and FAQ on the DEI page good, I used Accel because it was avail but I was really looking to use the DEI Titanium, I think it might be better although the Accel black is more what I had in mind for looks.
There are sites reporting header damage by wrapping, most I found were related to automotive race use, how much they truly relate to our use is not known by me.
DEI site:
http://www.deicycle.com/Black_Motorc...licone_Coating
Here is a site to scare you away from wrapping:
http://www.centuryperformance.com/ex...e-spg-138.html
Do the research and decide, wrap is used a lot on HD and other bikes as well, I'm not sure how automotive race use relates but I think its not the same for both or folks running wrap on their bikes would all have the pipes falling off which is not the case.
There are sites reporting header damage by wrapping, most I found were related to automotive race use, how much they truly relate to our use is not known by me.
DEI site:
http://www.deicycle.com/Black_Motorc...licone_Coating
Here is a site to scare you away from wrapping:
http://www.centuryperformance.com/ex...e-spg-138.html
Do the research and decide, wrap is used a lot on HD and other bikes as well, I'm not sure how automotive race use relates but I think its not the same for both or folks running wrap on their bikes would all have the pipes falling off which is not the case.
Road Captain
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Black T-headers are not ceramic coated, no matter what they say in their ads. Let me rephrase that, they do not use any form of sophisticated ceramic coating process in their application. They use a baked paint process, basically what a Chinese WalMart BBQ comes with.
They turn pale black/gray within a few weeks, and then pop heat and rust pimples out after a year.
My opinion is that is kind of what makes a T-header a T-header. They are fantastic exhaust pipes, and sound like no other, but always look "worn in".
Unfortunately, Rich Products knows this, and has the market cornered. They do not invest any money into coating improvements. Heck, even their chrome pipes suck as far as finish.
Too bad.
Thus to redirect this thread (sorry), anyone have any info on the new V&H Pro-Pipe High Output? That seems like a NICE alternative to a T-header.
They turn pale black/gray within a few weeks, and then pop heat and rust pimples out after a year.
My opinion is that is kind of what makes a T-header a T-header. They are fantastic exhaust pipes, and sound like no other, but always look "worn in".
Unfortunately, Rich Products knows this, and has the market cornered. They do not invest any money into coating improvements. Heck, even their chrome pipes suck as far as finish.
Too bad.
Thus to redirect this thread (sorry), anyone have any info on the new V&H Pro-Pipe High Output? That seems like a NICE alternative to a T-header.
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Road Master
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From: Irving-Texas
By the way, your description on how my TH wore in as far as coating goes is spot on, still love the pipe, hate the finish. I took their word for the ceramic but it sure disappointed me in ceramic coatings, your explanation makes sense.
Also look at the weight of the V & H, Weighs only 6.8 pounds!
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Road Warrior
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From: Texas City, TX
It's bad ***. (the V&H) It looks great and sounds awesome, hear it performs well. If only the damn thing was made for my year model.
(Is the o2 bung the only difference between early twinkie exhaust and later?)
(Is the o2 bung the only difference between early twinkie exhaust and later?)
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From: Palm Harbor fl.
different tranny. The rear pipe may run into routing problems. when I look at that pipe though, all I can think is you might need to just modify the rear bracket to get it to fit. they make plugs for the O2 bungs. Very expensive to test out though. Wonder if you could return it if it did not fit.
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. It's about a $600 misjudgement if I can't make it fit. lol
In all honestly, I'd imagine I could just have a nice bike shop build me an identical set for the same or less even. We'll see. I'm dying to get rid of these Big Radius', too "Swoopy".
In all honestly, I'd imagine I could just have a nice bike shop build me an identical set for the same or less even. We'll see. I'm dying to get rid of these Big Radius', too "Swoopy".
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From: Palm Harbor fl.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. It's about a $600 misjudgement if I can't make it fit. lol
In all honestly, I'd imagine I could just have a nice bike shop build me an identical set for the same or less even. We'll see. I'm dying to get rid of these Big Radius', too "Swoopy".
In all honestly, I'd imagine I could just have a nice bike shop build me an identical set for the same or less even. We'll see. I'm dying to get rid of these Big Radius', too "Swoopy".
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From: Templeton California
Actually when I bought my T-header I wanted something more "old school" looking but I was told by several independant shops that Thunderheaders made the most Hp so I gave it a shot. Initially I was not impressed wth it at all the bike backfired allot and didn't seem any quicker but...Then I got it dyno tuned, 80HP and 92 lbs of torque with nothing more than a Thunderheader SE. intake and a SERT.This is a TC88 and it's making more power than allot of 96s with "other" pipes.That said, I don't know how much the wrap has to do with it, it just makes it look a bit more "old timey" Oh, and before I wrapped it it burnt a hole in my pants.
Last edited by SPECIAL ED; Nov 4, 2009 at 08:49 PM.