Observations
I've been a dedicated member of this forum for the past 4 years. Although my post count is low, I have been observing the forum for all this time pretty much daily and have come to the opinion that you have a few people who make radical modifications to their bikes while most pople sit back and critique their work.
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Isn't that why you post your mod's in the first place, to get opinion's from others?
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I don't say anything unless I se3 something that sparks my interest or is new. Personally I don't think anyone who hasn't drilled, cut, milled, or otherwise done modifications that require more than turning some bolts or screws has any right to say anything about someone's bike while they sit back and wait for the Motor Company to produce their next bolt-on modification.
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So..your saying you dislike being critiqued by anyone other than a lathe operator, milling machine operator or drill press expert? Sounds reasonable to me.
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So for all of you out there without the ***** to do something that takes some thought to your personal ride this is a BIG F*CK YOU. Some of you at least have the manners to say that took ***** or nice work. For the rest of you who ask questions about the same bolt-on crap that has been beat to death, learn how to use the search function.
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Thank you sir, for your thoughtful incite. And you have a good day.
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Isn't that why you post your mod's in the first place, to get opinion's from others?
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I don't say anything unless I se3 something that sparks my interest or is new. Personally I don't think anyone who hasn't drilled, cut, milled, or otherwise done modifications that require more than turning some bolts or screws has any right to say anything about someone's bike while they sit back and wait for the Motor Company to produce their next bolt-on modification.
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So..your saying you dislike being critiqued by anyone other than a lathe operator, milling machine operator or drill press expert? Sounds reasonable to me.
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So for all of you out there without the ***** to do something that takes some thought to your personal ride this is a BIG F*CK YOU. Some of you at least have the manners to say that took ***** or nice work. For the rest of you who ask questions about the same bolt-on crap that has been beat to death, learn how to use the search function.
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Thank you sir, for your thoughtful incite. And you have a good day.
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Last edited by Snarly; Jan 20, 2010 at 11:09 AM.
You seem rather easily irked. Forums are for discussion so I see no reason to be irked by whatever anyone would choose to discuss here. The threads all have titles so you can choose in which threads you'd like to participate. Certainly asking someone how they did something is well within reason on this forum. Suggesting otherwise is rather ridiculous.
I have also observed from my other interests, that there is a common thread in each. There are the 80% that just like doing whatever (in our case riding Harleys), then there is the 20% that likes and has the talent/tools/place/inclination to build, fabricate, customize, etc.
Somehow the 20% are the real whatever, and the 80% are something less. Never have understood that mindset.
I'm here because I like riding my bike. I appreciate those that can and want to do more, but when it becomes a caste system, I want nothing to do with it.
Steve
I totally disagree. When I create something, whether it be intangible like music or art, or physical, such as a modded part for my bike, I *definitely* want people to tell me *exactly* what they think of it, and, if possible, give details. Saying it "looks like ****" is sufficient as well. The worst thing anyone can do is to attempt to pacify you and allow you to think you came up with something good when you didn't.
For references, check out "The Emperors New Clothes" or the Blues Traveler song "Runaround"
For references, check out "The Emperors New Clothes" or the Blues Traveler song "Runaround"
Obviously, you can take the criticism. Some people cant and I personally wouldn’t hold that against them. Saying “looks like ****” and nothing else could drive thin skinned yet innovative and talented people away. Ill just take the time to properly respond to people as to not discourage further efforts.
Not saying the OP is thin skinned either.
Absolutely, if the originator wishes to share their work, that's what the board is for. It's the complete lack of ingenuity, creativity, originality, or DIY drive that bothers me. When someone is proud of something they have put some time/effort into, I don't think it's appropriate for someone to flat out request where, how much, and how without even Attempting to do some thinking or leg work on their own; just to turn around and do the same thing. It cheapens the original work and creativity. Taking inspiration from something and Taking something is different in my eyes. Maybe I didn't word my first post properly.
To some degree, there is no point in reinventing the wheel. When they ask, you have no idea it's not something they haven't already spent a lot of time thinking about. Perhaps it is something they created in their mind years ago. Perhaps it is something they already made and are simply asking to see if the poster came up with the same method or something else.
In that respect, you are making a lot of judgments of someone based on the simple fact they asked a question - which is nowhere near enough information. For all you know, they are building a bike from the ground up, and are asking someone how they made their air cleaner cover because it seems to employ techniques they would use to create their own unique cover.
Or... maybe they are unimaginative, lack creative abilities, and only ever copy exactly what others do. You may have a better idea about this person based on a number of their posts - maybe they always ask the same question of a number of posters. So what? I doubt they're taking their bike to shows winning multiple awards for their creativity.
And I'd bet if we got everyone on this forum to bring their bikes to the same location, you'd be hard pressed to find two that look exactly alike.
I guess it boils down to my thinking you can find something better to irk you. Asking questions is how people learn. Copying what someone else is done is how people learn and the path to their own creativity.
I think you'd probably never find a writer of music who has never played someone else's music note for note. That's how you build up your skills so you can then create what is in your head.
Because this is a discussion with input from several people with several different opinions. In most cases, there's only a few correct answers to a technical question..
When I joined this forum there weren't tons of posts about the same thing. The Dyna had just been revised and the Street Bob had just come out. There weren't very many parts out and guys like Mud and Basic stepped way out on brand new bikes and provided a wealth of knowledge to the forum. That info is still here, hence my search comment. I always like seeing pics of other peoples bikes but seeing the same stuff over and over kills me. I have dumbass questions too but I usually know who to direct them to so I don't get a bunch of opinions I don't need. Last Saint has one of the baddest bikes on this site IMO but still some guy told him it made him want to throw up in his mouth. I grew up around hot rods, race cars, and bikes. My old man always told me to look at the effort someone put into their stuff instead of the subject matter and keep your mouth shut if you don't have something positive to say. If I don't like the highway forward airhorn spiderweb pegs your put on your bike I'm probably not going to say anything.
SBRob, personally I love your bike. The wheels set it off. It isn't the same stuff you see all the time.
SBRob, personally I love your bike. The wheels set it off. It isn't the same stuff you see all the time.






