Screamin Eagle Super Tuner
Tourer
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 499
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From: Locust Grove, VA
Quoted from catalog:
Screamin’ E agle® Pro S uper T uner 3
Now featuring improved electronics to enhance reliability
and improve communication between the vehicle and the
computer. A “choke” feature has been added to the circuit
board, and the color of the Vehicle Communication Interface
(VCI) box has been changed to orange to provide visible
differentiation from the previous VCI.
Get the biggest advantage at the race track with the
Screamin’ E agle® Pro E FI Super T uner. T he hardware and
software in the Super T uner makes E FI tuning easier with
dozens of innovative tuning enhancements. Super T uner is
available in 8 languages (English, Spanish, G erman, French,
Japanese, Italian, Portuguese, and Dutch), and is compatible
with Windows® XP and Vista.
The Super T uner includes an ergonomically improved Vehicle
Communication Interface (VCI) box. T he new VCI allows U SB
connectivity to your PC and contains on board memory for
a full 15 minutes of data recording, tracking up to 26 data
variables. Data recording is conveniently activated with a
push of a button, allowing the VCI to be taken to the track
to gather data during true race conditions. Cable Kit is sold
separately and provides all necessary connections between
Motorcycle, VCI, and PC / Laptop. T he Super T uner Software
is easy to use with a large icon layout, compatible with touch
screen laptops, the ability to work in 4 windows (tables) at
one time, and enhanced help tools to keep you on track. Data
and T uning functions are combined into a single application,
ensuring you are only 2 clicks away from any major tuning
function. With a click of a button, the software automatically
connects to the internet and updates to the most current
version as well as retrieves the newest calibrations developed
by professional Screamin’ E agle calibrators. Software
contains built-in model recognition that filters calibrations,
listing those that are applicable to your model. State-of-theart
graphing capabilities illustrate tables clearly, highlighting
areas for improvement, and are fully scalable and customizable.
Additional features include editable calibration text,
custom note fields, drag and drop, cut and paste, and printing
capability. T o get you on the track quickly, Screamin’
Eagle offers a comprehensive computer based training DVD
(P/N 32101-08). For race application only.
Requires separate purchase of Super T uner Software and
Cable Kit.
32109-08B $459.95
For use with ’01-later EFI VRSC™, XL, XR, Dyna®, Softail®
and ’02-later EFI T ouring and T rike models. Also fits VRXSE Destroyer® race bikes.
Now featuring improved electronics to enhance reliability
and improve communication between the vehicle and the
computer. A “choke” feature has been added to the circuit
board, and the color of the Vehicle Communication Interface
(VCI) box has been changed to orange to provide visible
differentiation from the previous VCI.
Get the biggest advantage at the race track with the
Screamin’ E agle® Pro E FI Super T uner. T he hardware and
software in the Super T uner makes E FI tuning easier with
dozens of innovative tuning enhancements. Super T uner is
available in 8 languages (English, Spanish, G erman, French,
Japanese, Italian, Portuguese, and Dutch), and is compatible
with Windows® XP and Vista.
The Super T uner includes an ergonomically improved Vehicle
Communication Interface (VCI) box. T he new VCI allows U SB
connectivity to your PC and contains on board memory for
a full 15 minutes of data recording, tracking up to 26 data
variables. Data recording is conveniently activated with a
push of a button, allowing the VCI to be taken to the track
to gather data during true race conditions. Cable Kit is sold
separately and provides all necessary connections between
Motorcycle, VCI, and PC / Laptop. T he Super T uner Software
is easy to use with a large icon layout, compatible with touch
screen laptops, the ability to work in 4 windows (tables) at
one time, and enhanced help tools to keep you on track. Data
and T uning functions are combined into a single application,
ensuring you are only 2 clicks away from any major tuning
function. With a click of a button, the software automatically
connects to the internet and updates to the most current
version as well as retrieves the newest calibrations developed
by professional Screamin’ E agle calibrators. Software
contains built-in model recognition that filters calibrations,
listing those that are applicable to your model. State-of-theart
graphing capabilities illustrate tables clearly, highlighting
areas for improvement, and are fully scalable and customizable.
Additional features include editable calibration text,
custom note fields, drag and drop, cut and paste, and printing
capability. T o get you on the track quickly, Screamin’
Eagle offers a comprehensive computer based training DVD
(P/N 32101-08). For race application only.
Requires separate purchase of Super T uner Software and
Cable Kit.
32109-08B $459.95
For use with ’01-later EFI VRSC™, XL, XR, Dyna®, Softail®
and ’02-later EFI T ouring and T rike models. Also fits VRXSE Destroyer® race bikes.
Tourer
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 334
Likes: 3
From: Romeo, MI
The current part number is 32109-08B. According to the SE catalog, the latest version features "improved electronics to enhance reliability and improve communication between the vehicle and the computer. A 'choke' feature has been added to the circuit board, and the color of the Vehicle Communication Interface (VCI) box has been changed to orange to provide visible differentiation from the previous VCI."
I just purchased the complete setup (32109-08B, software, cables, DVD) from my dealer for just $20 more than the House of H-D price (plus sales tax of course).
I just purchased the complete setup (32109-08B, software, cables, DVD) from my dealer for just $20 more than the House of H-D price (plus sales tax of course).
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,739
Likes: 10
From: Suffolk, England
As long as you have SE hardware you can generally find a matching or close MAP, then SmartTuning to dial it in. For non-SE cams its more problematic and you probably want a dyno run to check you are along the right tracks.
Road Warrior
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,396
Likes: 7
From: Connecticut :(
Only issue people talk about is water. well, I dont ride in the rain, if so just secure the pc so I dont have water issues.
With all the research I have done, I like the fact that I can do ANY mods to the bike and download maps, or even get custom maps for free!
No running to the dealer for every little tweak and dishing out 250 bux every time.
Plus, its fact that the HD and SE tuners must comply with emissions limits and can not truly adjust the tune to make the bike run the best.
Hell, PC even has a map for a bike with factory pipes and ac, the map is designed to tune the bike past what moco can do from the factory.
Bike runs cooler, and has a greater response.
Again, jmo....
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,739
Likes: 10
From: Suffolk, England
If anything, its the other way around. PowerCommander is limited in its functionality because it can only adjust a limited set of parameters because its a bolt-on to the output of the ECU. A SEPST or TTS lets you adjust all the tables in the ECU.
As far as I know, the PC has only one big advantage - its tuneable at Indie bike shops, who don't need to be familiar with HDs at all, just with PCs.
Club Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 11,483
Likes: 39
From: Passaic County, NJ
My only response to this is...it relieves the customer of being tied to a dealer. Dealers don't always have the customer's best interest at hand.
Gee, based on that in-depth response that the PST is the best for harleys would just make me want to run out and buy one. NOT.
How about you explain why you think it's the best option for tuning?
Also, what experience have you had with TTS, Thundermax w/auto-tune, pcIII/V, etc? Have you sat down and tuned any one of these devices? How about the SE tuners? Ever tuned one? Master tech does not equal 'qualified to run a dyno'.
(I know Im not qualified either so we're on a level playing field.)
Last edited by SC-Longhair; Jun 26, 2011 at 07:18 AM.
Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 655
Likes: 6
Loving the info coming out in this thread since this is exactly where I'm at with my bike right now. The Big Sucker will be here this week, so I need to find a tuner.
So...
Power Commander V is about $369...
TTS is about $424
SEPST is about $469
For the extra $50 bucks, it seems like the TTS is a better long term solution. And then, the SEPST is for those that just want to put a Screaming Eagle emblem on their bikes (I might be guilty of this).
Anyone have any opinions about this? I mean, these seem like the three top solutions.
So...
Power Commander V is about $369...
TTS is about $424
SEPST is about $469
For the extra $50 bucks, it seems like the TTS is a better long term solution. And then, the SEPST is for those that just want to put a Screaming Eagle emblem on their bikes (I might be guilty of this).
Anyone have any opinions about this? I mean, these seem like the three top solutions.
Banned
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,403
Likes: 7
From: Southwest Florida
The folks at rbracing tend to prefer the TTS system. Of course -- They sell it and they can't sell the Harley SEST.
Grain of salt time.
They DO say that they both work about the same but that they (many of them Engineers) claim interpreting Hieroglyphics is easier than decyphering the Harley Instruction Manual for the SEST.
Here is where I found their opinions on tuning systems. I like them. I think they're uniformly insane, which I can relate to. They leave you with no doubts as to what they think.
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/lsr21.htm
If you don't want to read the parts leading up to their discussion of tuners, it's only a little way down to scroll. It starts under the headline --
Self-Tuning Myth
And goes from there.
Grain of salt time.
They DO say that they both work about the same but that they (many of them Engineers) claim interpreting Hieroglyphics is easier than decyphering the Harley Instruction Manual for the SEST.
Here is where I found their opinions on tuning systems. I like them. I think they're uniformly insane, which I can relate to. They leave you with no doubts as to what they think.
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/lsr21.htm
If you don't want to read the parts leading up to their discussion of tuners, it's only a little way down to scroll. It starts under the headline --
Self-Tuning Myth
And goes from there.