has anyone had any experience with the Accel Self Learning Module? Supposed to be a simple plug and play???sounds like a winner from a company with a long history- What think?

 

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Thanks Mud- been away for a while and got LAZY- Your gentle kick in the butt sent me to the search engine--found the thread---my bad!

 

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What do I think? - please do not throw away your money on Snake Oil

pay attention. this thread is discussing honest to goodness Tuners.

I am going to quote here from the link in posting #29 -

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Grendel, I appreciate that link. Thanks for posting.

One thing I did notice is that RBRacing spent a lot of time telling you what they think is bad. Not much time telling you what is good. Yes, they mentioned the TTS is not a bad product.

So, in their opinion:
SERT/SEPST/etc is bad (mostly on poorly written instructon manuals)
Powercommander is bad
Thundermax w/auto-tune is bad (wideband sensors)

TTS is ok?

Also, why are narrowband sensors better than wideband? This is just what I may have read and/or understand but a narrowband sensor can only read a small, narrow, flow of data. Sounds limited to me. A wideband sensor can read a wider flow of data. Sounds better to me. More flexible.

Like comparing the serial connections on older pc's to newer usb v2. USB can handle a wider amount of data, faster.

I'm certainly no tuning guru or even know my way around a motor at all compared to some of ya'll but I'm not a fan of people (such as RBR) telling me what is bad (everything) but not giving you any more info to make an educated choice.

They say the delphi system is smart. How smart? How much will it compensate for changes? I mean would it make sense to rip my pcIII out and reinstate the oem delphi system? Is that what they're saying?

So they want you to get your tuner, and buy their dual o2 sensor afr guage and go ride and tune your bike that way and not on a dyno. Why? What's wrong with a dyno? They didn't say. They just said that dynos are bad. I'm certainly no fan of tuning at WOT. You're not always riding at WOT so why tune for it? That part makes sense.

I also like how all exhausts are bad except theirs. Ok granted they got records and won titles with their exhaust. How much of what they wrote is just simply wanting you to buy their product by using a glorified smear campaign against their competition.

Their product is very pricey. If they think everything else is crap, why not drop the price to sell more? Obviously exhausts are not what keeps the power on at RBR. I don't know.......

 

Just out of curiosity why do people recommend the TTS over the SEPST? Can you achieve the same end results with either method?

I already purchased and started using the SEPST, the main factor in my decision was the ability to record to the VCI for smart tuning. The TTS, if I understand requires strapping a laptop to the bike, which I wasn't real thrilled about. Just wondering what I missed out on for the sake of recording convenience.

 

Hey, how do you like the SEPST? What is your experience level before getting the SEPST? Have you done this type of tuning before, or are you learning now? I'm trying to decide between the SEPST and TTS. Seems you can't go wrong with PCV, SEPST or TTS from what I've read, depending on how much tweaking you like to do.

The TTS and SEPST are almost the same and likely one of the two is what I'll get. The major factor that will help me decide is how user friendly is the software? Have you been able to learn, figure out and tweak it how you like?

 

I've played with both and found little in it in terms of results.

Both can adjust the same tables and both have a Smart Tune function. The SEPST is fairly awful to learn on though - the manual and software are crap but once you do figure it out its pretty easy afterwards. But, as has been said, you only need the SEPST box itself on the bike to collect data, unlike the TTS where you need your laptop in your saddlebag.

 

I'm new to tuning, no prior experience with the exception of some tuning on my old F150 which was quite different, and a long time ago.

On Sunday I was able to download a calibration and do 3 15 minute data recording, then used smart tune to generate and update the VE tables and download the new calibration. The bike runs pretty good, although I have some slight popping when up shifting, which I can live with for now.

I would agree with Foxster, the manuals are crap. I got the instruction DVD with my kit which showed step by step how to do the smart tune. Once I got a few key pieces of info it was really easy. Putting the smart tune table in one window and working table in another is not very intuitive, and I'm usually fairly computer literate/savvy.

So far I like it, it seems to work.

 

The TTS and the SEPST are very similar in capability.

Bear in mind that the TTS requires you to strap a PC to your bike for the purpose of data recording. The SEPST uses a device called a VCI (about the size of a pack of cigarettes) to record about 45 minutes of data.

I'm not crazy about strapping my laptop to my bike, You might be ok with it but I'm not.

TTS Data is transferred over the antique serial interface, so you'll need a USB/Serial interface unless you have an antique laptop.