On going problems with 06 Dyna
Road Master
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From: T-City, Wa.
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
WillieC,
I feel for ya man. I wished I could help. All I can tell you is that I have had this problem. In fact I am not sure but I may have talked with you about this problem at one time, maybe not. Anyways, I had bad surging and well the coughing at the worst time possible. I took the bike in to have the 25 deg injectors installed and well they need to order two, be here tomorrow, so until then I installed new pipes, A/C kit and PCIII. Interesting enough, no surging, maybe just a tiny bit but it may be me, but performance wise, tons better. I know this is not what you want to hear, but the PCIII helped me. I wish all the luck in the world!!
I feel for ya man. I wished I could help. All I can tell you is that I have had this problem. In fact I am not sure but I may have talked with you about this problem at one time, maybe not. Anyways, I had bad surging and well the coughing at the worst time possible. I took the bike in to have the 25 deg injectors installed and well they need to order two, be here tomorrow, so until then I installed new pipes, A/C kit and PCIII. Interesting enough, no surging, maybe just a tiny bit but it may be me, but performance wise, tons better. I know this is not what you want to hear, but the PCIII helped me. I wish all the luck in the world!!
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RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
Talk to folks who might be interested in helping. First, tell the dealer that you bike is not operating properly. If it is not fixed it needs to be replaced. See what the dealer says. "Don't do that" is not a proper reply for an improperly running vehicle. If that is their continued response inform the dealer in person AND in writing that you are dissatisfied with their response and that you are going to look into alternative methods of redress for your grievance. Keep a copy of your letter.
Next, contact Harley-Davidson directly. I'm not near my owner's manual, but I think there's an 800 number for service. Your warranty card should also have a service center number. Call it and explain the situation be polite and firm. See what they say. I've had several friends have this option work out very well. If they still don't work it out, then move on.
Your next call should be to your local state legislator (really). Explain the situation and as that person to help. Likely they'll contact the state Attorney General or other responsible agent in this type of situation. In my experience this usually works out. The last thing a dealer wants is to have their license revoked.
Make sure you have your paperwork together, and a timeline of everything that's happened. It'll be needed.
Next, contact Harley-Davidson directly. I'm not near my owner's manual, but I think there's an 800 number for service. Your warranty card should also have a service center number. Call it and explain the situation be polite and firm. See what they say. I've had several friends have this option work out very well. If they still don't work it out, then move on.
Your next call should be to your local state legislator (really). Explain the situation and as that person to help. Likely they'll contact the state Attorney General or other responsible agent in this type of situation. In my experience this usually works out. The last thing a dealer wants is to have their license revoked.
Make sure you have your paperwork together, and a timeline of everything that's happened. It'll be needed.
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RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
I guess I agree with what Stubbu and FL_999 said.
This is how my bike behaved before, with the OEM calibration and with the the stage 1 download.
Every day I rode the bike I had "coughs" and ignition misses in those RPM:s you describe.
The bike was also "jerking" around while I was trying to drive steady in a low gear/low RPM.
Since I Installed the SERT and did some tweaking of the stage 1 calibration (for my setup) this is gone.
And IMHO the 25 degrees injcetors will not solve the problem. I've got the 8 degrees and solved it. Its a "map" problecm.
/Dan
FXDCI -06
This is how my bike behaved before, with the OEM calibration and with the the stage 1 download.
Every day I rode the bike I had "coughs" and ignition misses in those RPM:s you describe.
The bike was also "jerking" around while I was trying to drive steady in a low gear/low RPM.
Since I Installed the SERT and did some tweaking of the stage 1 calibration (for my setup) this is gone.
And IMHO the 25 degrees injcetors will not solve the problem. I've got the 8 degrees and solved it. Its a "map" problecm.
/Dan
FXDCI -06
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From: Burleson Texas
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
I believe I am in the same boat as you, my 06 wide glide has issuse as well, I put slip on D & D mufflers on, a s/e air cleaner + hd download. It ran well for about 2k miles then the check engine light came and I took it in and the code was that the rear injector was faulty and that they would replace it but it was on back order. While waiting for the injector I rode anyway, that's when the bike started missing at low rpms, not bad at first but became really annoying. They replaced the injector and it ran good for a short time and started missing again, I mean it would cough and sputter at low rpms. I took it back and told them about it....they said they put the code reader on it and that all I needed to do was to put fuel in the tank...I had a 1/2 tank of fuel...By now I am pissed, I took it home and continued to put miles on it until I couldn't take it anymore, I called and set up an appointment to have it checked, I took it in and they were supposed to get on it in the morning,, a week and a half later I called and they hadn't even looked at it...now I am madder than hell, they said they would get to it soon. They never really checked it out they just ordered 25 deg injectors to replace the 8 deg. They received the injectors quickly but were waiting on a cartridge with the download for the injectors, that took another 10 days.[:@] The also said they were going to have to charge me for the download because I had after market exhaust on my bike...I already paid for the first download $212.00 and had to cough up another $212.00 for this one.....fine whatever, I just wanted my bike to be right....well guess what, it's not...I ordered the pcIII today because I will never set foot in the service dept at TEXAS HARLEY DAVIDSON again. Don't feel like you are alone in this battle, I will keep the forum posted on the outcome on the pcIII
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From: Boonville, MO
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
No problems like that with mine luckily. I agree with you that yours should be fixed free of charge by HD reguardless of what it takes, even down to a new motor. Them not taking care of this in over a year is messed up. It sounds like it's a dealer lack of ability problem up till now, they just aren't smart enough to fix it. Surely the rep will be able to fix it no problem but if the rep gives you the same results then you need to get on HD. A year with the same problem that they can duplicate is really not acceptable. That sucker should run as good as mine or anyone elses, that's what you paid for. You've been way more patient than i would have been, by about 9 month's or more. I'd be screaming bloody murder by now. Lots of great advice here, hound dog 1 mapped it out pretty good.
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Road Master
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From: State College, PA
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna, got reply
Well I just got a call from my dealer and the HD tech guy said the bike is OK
and for that model it is perfectly normal and it is operating properly ! I did not get to
talk with him personally the message was relayed.
I guess I will have to take his word for it but I have to say I am somewhat shocked.
But I have to post a positive comment for my dealer because they said what I need
is a different model and they will give me what I paid for my Bob on a trade,
on a new one only.
I am guessing they will not lose any money on the deal but I do appreciate that.
I may check on a night train and see how that would be. Or I may just ask for a total
refund [&:] Do not think they would go that far though.
But I do have to say I am NOT dissapointed with my Dealer they have worked with me
on the situatuion and have done all that they can do, in my opinion. Hats off to them.
So I guess my final thoughts on it is that HD has some issues with the 06 Dyna line
if they are saying this in normal (low speed surging) and probably most never ride at 25
mph long enough to notice it. I know if I rode the open highways above 45mph I it
would not be an issue. I have asked to try another 06 Dyna to compare but they have
not offered that option to me, I would have to rent one to try that and maybe I will try that.
I may take the suggestion and try a PCII or SERT and see what happens 1st.
WillieC
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RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna, got reply
If your bike is perfectly normal then they should have no problems giving you your money and selling it to someone else. I mean who wouldn't want a perfectly normal bike? Heck, my bike has always run fine with no problems, I'm sad to hear that my bike is not normal. I want to get rid of my smooth running bike now since mine is not normal.
I know they're B.S. has to make you mad, but I guess the dealer owner has some decency left in him. I don't know how you lasted so long without losing it. Good luck with your new bike hunt. Maybe the balance shaft in a nightrain would help to avoid potential surging problems.
I know they're B.S. has to make you mad, but I guess the dealer owner has some decency left in him. I don't know how you lasted so long without losing it. Good luck with your new bike hunt. Maybe the balance shaft in a nightrain would help to avoid potential surging problems.
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From: Bothell, WA
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna, got reply
This is interesting folks! Some of the changes made to the '07 bikes included carryovers from the '06 Dyna; closed loop fuel system with '02 sensors, and automatic primary chain adjuster. I have not ridden an '07 yet, but I'm wondering if some of the issues effecting the '06 Dyna will resurface with the '07 bikes. If it does, this will not be a model specific problem, but a problem with all '07 model year bikes. This could end up costing the dealers and the MoCo a considerable amount of time and money to satisfy the customer. I'm thinking that HD should sue the EPA over their restrictions as it is creating an unsafe motorcycle for the consumer. Surging and stalling are just as bad, if not worse, than having your breaks fail, especially if the problem is intermittant.
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From: Boonville, MO
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
Sorry man, I’m very suspicious of a rep that can’t be seen or talked to, something smells bad to me. Makes me wonder if there really was a rep involved. Wouldn't it make them look bad to not be able to fix it after a year and have the rep tell them it's something easy. The way you describe the way your Dyna is running is not supported by the way mine runs or it seems other members here. It’s nice that they are letting you put the money you paid towards an 07 but what about all the pains of the last year and down time in the last year. Something just doesn’t seem right to me. I guess at this point I’d take the 07 and run (at the same price as your 06) but I still wouldn’t be happy with the dealer after him farting around with it for this long to come up with that bogus answer of it’s running normally. Bad is not normal or acceptable. Good luck with the new one, i'm sure it will be as great as you hoped the first one would be.
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From: State College, PA
RE: On going problems with 06 Dyna
JamieWG wrote:
Make them swap out the ECM. There is a definite problem with low RPM surging on some '06 Dynas. I've emailed SERT maps to about a hundred '06 Dyna owners. Most people really liked them, a few people didn't.... but two or three have emailed me with this surging problem hoping a decent map would fix it. No amount of SERT tweaking fixes it. Maps that worked great for me and for others have zero effect on this problem. The only thing that fixes it is a different ECM.
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Jamie,
I called them and told them about the ECM and they called me back a few hours later
and said they tried it but it did not make any difference. They are going to take the new
one out and put the old one back in the the morning.
So I have to accept the fact that, that is the way it will be.
I am going to look at an 07 Sotail Standard or 07 Night train in Denim Black and see what they
will do on a trade up.
I REALLY like my BoB though so maybe I will try a SERT 1st . Man choices [8D] are driving me nutz
Thanks for the help !!!!!
WillieC
Make them swap out the ECM. There is a definite problem with low RPM surging on some '06 Dynas. I've emailed SERT maps to about a hundred '06 Dyna owners. Most people really liked them, a few people didn't.... but two or three have emailed me with this surging problem hoping a decent map would fix it. No amount of SERT tweaking fixes it. Maps that worked great for me and for others have zero effect on this problem. The only thing that fixes it is a different ECM.
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Jamie,
I called them and told them about the ECM and they called me back a few hours later
and said they tried it but it did not make any difference. They are going to take the new
one out and put the old one back in the the morning.
So I have to accept the fact that, that is the way it will be.
I am going to look at an 07 Sotail Standard or 07 Night train in Denim Black and see what they
will do on a trade up.
I REALLY like my BoB though so maybe I will try a SERT 1st . Man choices [8D] are driving me nutz
Thanks for the help !!!!!
WillieC