How long to "relearn" new pipes?
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Let me put it this way. AFV has to be reset every time you flash your bike. Reset "AFV" values when you flash the bike. If they were not learned then you would not have to reset the values.
Also when you watch your sensors you will see the Adaptive Fuel values go over 100%. That means that it is comparing the cells, and adjusting/learning the new AFV for the block of cells.
Yes, AFV is learned.
Also when you watch your sensors you will see the Adaptive Fuel values go over 100%. That means that it is comparing the cells, and adjusting/learning the new AFV for the block of cells.
Yes, AFV is learned.
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And the hostile coments between "Ed" and myself ( post count remarks) were from another thread where Faast Ed expounded on how engineers did not know nearly as much as "technicians" that worked with their hands.( and having only a few posts I could not possibly know what I was talking about!)
That, or you are flat out lying. I looked for the thread and could not find it. I sure don't recall commenting on post count.
I'd only do something like that on a multiple page thread with the OP having 2 posts, to point out his question was meant to stirr the pot (and warn others of it).
I did indeed comment about the engineers I work with, that rufuse to listen to the guys who are "hands on" working on the products that the engineers had only seen in books.
I stand by that comment.
As far as ecm's that learn,...... I've asked this board numerous times if something had changed in the 2010 - 11 ecm's and never got a solid answer.
If the new one's can learn a microscopic amount, I'd still like to see more than "word of mouth" information stating so.
Show me something solid. I want to learn.
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I did indeed comment about the engineers I work with, that rufuse to listen to the guys who are "hands on" working on the products that the engineers had only seen in books.
That might say more about the Company you work for than it does the individual Engineers.
Many modern Companies are very serious about 'Upward Communications'. Some of the old dinosaurs are still stuck in the downward communication only syndrome. Bad on them.
Maybe there's serious commuication problems between employees and Management. Maybe it's not entirely Management's fault. An example might be, while the workers at Toyota, Honda, Nissan and BMW were organizing into quality and production improvement groups all through the last twenty years or so, the UAW was organizing a strike for more sick days. How's that working out for the 'Big Three'? Big Three, huh? Laughable.
Maybe the Engineers have their hands tied by Management. Maybe Management is run by Accountants. NEVER a good thing. Maybe the Engineers spend so much time trying to cut corners for cost reasons that they've given up on being Engineers.
Or maybe they're buttheads. But Ive never seen an entire group of people that were buttheads. A high percentage sometimes, but ALL of them? Nah, there's something else going on behind the scenes.
That might say more about the Company you work for than it does the individual Engineers.
Many modern Companies are very serious about 'Upward Communications'. Some of the old dinosaurs are still stuck in the downward communication only syndrome. Bad on them.
Maybe there's serious commuication problems between employees and Management. Maybe it's not entirely Management's fault. An example might be, while the workers at Toyota, Honda, Nissan and BMW were organizing into quality and production improvement groups all through the last twenty years or so, the UAW was organizing a strike for more sick days. How's that working out for the 'Big Three'? Big Three, huh? Laughable.
Maybe the Engineers have their hands tied by Management. Maybe Management is run by Accountants. NEVER a good thing. Maybe the Engineers spend so much time trying to cut corners for cost reasons that they've given up on being Engineers.
Or maybe they're buttheads. But Ive never seen an entire group of people that were buttheads. A high percentage sometimes, but ALL of them? Nah, there's something else going on behind the scenes.
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The bikes adjustability to tuning has a small range. You basically went outside fo the adjustability range, so a tune is in order. If you can still get a Stage 1 download, that will fix it, otherwise you will have to have a DYNO tune performed.
Popping indicates a lean condition, and these bikes in a stock tune are set so that when the throttle is released, the computer goes "full lean"...this is EPA anti-pollution/anti smog Enviro-**** stuff.
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Popping indicates a lean condition, and these bikes in a stock tune are set so that when the throttle is released, the computer goes "full lean"...this is EPA anti-pollution/anti smog Enviro-**** stuff.
~Joe
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The bikes adjustability to tuning has a small range. You basically went outside fo the adjustability range, so a tune is in order. If you can still get a Stage 1 download, that will fix it, otherwise you will have to have a DYNO tune performed.
Popping indicates a lean condition, and these bikes in a stock tune are set so that when the throttle is released, the computer goes "full lean"...this is EPA anti-pollution/anti smog Enviro-**** stuff.
~Joe
Popping indicates a lean condition, and these bikes in a stock tune are set so that when the throttle is released, the computer goes "full lean"...this is EPA anti-pollution/anti smog Enviro-**** stuff.
~Joe
Explains the 1st to 2nd pop that I get.
Just kinda asking, but on decel, when there's no load on the motor at all, would the lean condition be a non-factor except for the unpleasant noise?
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Now if you boys can put down those rulers for a minute or two, here's an update from me, the OP: after around 100 miles or so since the pipe change the decel pop seems to have gone completely away.
While I've had enough Harley's to know that noises, symptoms and other behaviors can come and go for some reason, any reason or no reason at all it kinda makes you think maybe that Rush guy a few posts back might have been on the money, huh?
After all, they're in the business...
While I've had enough Harley's to know that noises, symptoms and other behaviors can come and go for some reason, any reason or no reason at all it kinda makes you think maybe that Rush guy a few posts back might have been on the money, huh?
After all, they're in the business...
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Now if you boys can put down those rulers for a minute or two, here's an update from me, the OP: after around 100 miles or so since the pipe change the decel pop seems to have gone completely away.
While I've had enough Harley's to know that noises, symptoms and other behaviors can come and go for some reason, any reason or no reason at all it kinda makes you think maybe that Rush guy a few posts back might have been on the money, huh?
After all, they're in the business...
While I've had enough Harley's to know that noises, symptoms and other behaviors can come and go for some reason, any reason or no reason at all it kinda makes you think maybe that Rush guy a few posts back might have been on the money, huh?
After all, they're in the business...
~Joe
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How is the bike set to go full lean when there is a decel enleanment table for variations in temperature? Granted the DE only acts for a brief moment when the throttle is off.
I would say that the pop between 1st and 2nd gear is because the VE is incorrect for those cells. I had it sometimes with my TH, but if I had the intake open some to all more air, in I would not get the pop.
I would say that the pop between 1st and 2nd gear is because the VE is incorrect for those cells. I had it sometimes with my TH, but if I had the intake open some to all more air, in I would not get the pop.
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