This Is Why Companies Get Sued
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: Sussex, South of England
You find that the lift is not the correct tool for the job. That's your opinion and I respect you for it as it shows that you have thought about it. Where you go wrong is the assumtion that others are not in a fit state to make up their own mind about their safety.
A tool not appropriate for a specific job does NOT mean that is a poorly designed tool! I means that is not the correct tool for the job.
The user is responsible for correct use of a product NOT the company that makes them.
Last edited by Scaredofrain; Jul 21, 2012 at 02:11 AM.
Road Captain
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 571
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From: USA
The OP does have a good point. He just delivered it like a lawyer or a sue happy guy. The funny thing is many of these posts people are looking for someone else to blame. These forums tend to become more attack then thought driven. With that being said, I had a floor jack and tried the blocks. It was very clear that this was stupid. I could tell there was very little if any thought put into the design. I'm betting the blocks idea was submitted under the "I have an idea" (or what ever that HD program is). I sold the jack and bought a table lift and a screw jack. Problem fixed.
Cruiser
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 213
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From: Tempe, AZ
My comment was intended to add a dash of humor to an otherwise 7 page flame-fest.
**Failed**
A "***** forum" does sound quite appealing though.
**Failed**
A "***** forum" does sound quite appealing though.
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Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2011
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When I start feeling stupid and want "risk" I'll get right to it and play Russian Roulette. To me, bike riding is all about exhilaration. The prospect of a 700 pound bike falling on me is not exhilarating, but different strokes for different folks.
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Ohio
Just watched the video, on J & S's website... that's unbelievable, how they can rough-house the bike like that, in the air. I'm sold...
http://jsjacks.com/index.php/product...ycle-lift.html
http://jsjacks.com/index.php/product...ycle-lift.html
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From: the 50s & the 60s
Anybody who's tried jacking up their Dyna on a standard (expensive jacks avoid the problem) mc floor jack knows that the projection of the oil pan lower than the frame prevents it. You can buy blocks from HD to stick to the frame to level it out for the arms of the jack or you can make your own blocks or you can modify the jack. If you pick the blocks option you'll probably need to roll you bike onto 2x10's so the jack can clear the blocks. Using any of those options creates a very dangerous situation. There isn't any justification for HD putting our lives in jeopardy just to jack up a damn motorcycle. HD needs to warn owners not to attempt to use such jacks instead of encouraging it by selling the blocks. I doubt that even the Chinese are crazy enough to rig up such a half-assed method to lift a motorcycle. If you know anyone who's been hurt as a result of that situation do them a favor: tell them to see a good lawyer. Just my opinion.
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Would the "correct precautions" consist of strapping an 8' long, 1' wide, 2' tall, 700 pound motorcycle, which is sitting on 2 1/2" high blocks, to a 30" long 14" wide jack then lifting that motorcycle 16" into the air? Is it sane to get under such a contraption knowing that a block could fail? If a block fails what is the probability that the elevated 700 pound motorcycle will remain upright? You're the genius--you tell me.
When my bike was in the air on those blocks I concluded it was an accident waiting for a place to happen so I lowered it and threw the blocks into the garbage can. Sorry to rain on many self-righteous parades, but my bike and I weren't injured at all. My post was made because I am concerned about bikers who roll the dice with that "poorly designed tool". Just my opinions.
When my bike was in the air on those blocks I concluded it was an accident waiting for a place to happen so I lowered it and threw the blocks into the garbage can. Sorry to rain on many self-righteous parades, but my bike and I weren't injured at all. My post was made because I am concerned about bikers who roll the dice with that "poorly designed tool". Just my opinions.
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a lot of bitterness there dobro.
glad to hear your made the choice to trashcan the lift adapters.
butt, I really don't get it.
I do believe the lift adapters would never fail if used properly.
I went through 2 sets over a several year period.
both delaminated after being used successfully many many times.
if you do not have the adapters FLAT they will fail.
if the weight is STRAIGHT down impossible to fail......
unless you apply significant sideways force (for example sledgehammering an axle out.)
that's my opinion.
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00glider's picture...............
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as for the lawsuit, I highly doubt anyone would get around the disclaimers that are in the instructions.
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first two sentences....
This kit is designed for 1999 and later Dyna TC88 model motorcycles to be used with Motorcycle Service Lift (P/N94653-98)
and Motorcycle Cleaning Stand (P/N 94652-98).
Before using your adapter kit,
it is your responsibility to read and follow these installation and operating instructions
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Elite HDF Member
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,863
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From: Kennewick, WA
Mine have come apart too butI still haven't had any issues. They aren't the perfect solution but when used with caution they do the job.