Forward controlls
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Burlington Ontario Canada
RE: Forward controlls
ORIGINAL: Stanger
Ironically I just did this, this last weekend. I will be honest and tell you as others have that there are a few "special tools" that you will need. One is a 30mm metric socket (this just bugs the hell out of me, a metric on a Harley, oh well), another is a tool that you insert between the two gears inside the primary case to unbolt one nut on the clutch which is LEFT HAND THREADS, and one bolt that is set to 150 to 165ft lbs that is standard threads.
Ironically I just did this, this last weekend. I will be honest and tell you as others have that there are a few "special tools" that you will need. One is a 30mm metric socket (this just bugs the hell out of me, a metric on a Harley, oh well), another is a tool that you insert between the two gears inside the primary case to unbolt one nut on the clutch which is LEFT HAND THREADS, and one bolt that is set to 150 to 165ft lbs that is standard threads.
. That 30mm socket - which I thought I had - I'll have to pick up tomorrow. Unfortunately, I started too late to head out to grab one today.
Now that I'm ankle deep in it, I'll say this: If you don't already have a breaker bar, torque wrench, 30mm socket, the primary locking tool (see above, it's $4.00 in steel) and the shop manual, just let the stealer do it.
Not that I'm not having fun, though. Can't wait to get it finished
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Burlington Ontario Canada
RE: Forward controlls
LOL
I love getting my hands dirty on this... and when it's done and I roll the thing out of the garage... man... I can't wait. I just figured just cause I'm crazy doesn't mean someone else will wanna do this...
A couple years ago, I built my own barbeque. I also made my dining room table. When everything was done, I went to the butcher and got the biggest, fattest steak I could get, cooked it on a barbeque I made, ate it on a table I made, sitting in a chair I made. The only way it could have been more satisfying is if I'd shot the animal myself.
This is the same thing!
I'll post pics when it's done, of course
I love getting my hands dirty on this... and when it's done and I roll the thing out of the garage... man... I can't wait. I just figured just cause I'm crazy doesn't mean someone else will wanna do this...
A couple years ago, I built my own barbeque. I also made my dining room table. When everything was done, I went to the butcher and got the biggest, fattest steak I could get, cooked it on a barbeque I made, ate it on a table I made, sitting in a chair I made. The only way it could have been more satisfying is if I'd shot the animal myself.
This is the same thing!
I'll post pics when it's done, of course
Road Master
Joined: Oct 2006
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RE: Forward controlls
I used the Kury's good product bad chrome. Have you looked on ebay or at J&P they're are a ton of companies making these kits nowthat look far better installed the HD since the Harley ones are sickingly plain. Plus with the design of alot of the other kits you don't have to remove the inner and out primary's you just use the provided part to mask it from view. yes you will have a section if the stock shifter comming out of the side of your bike but with my kit it came with a small chrome bung that went over it. On my first bearing change I'll take it all out then. Mine went on in about 45 mins and 2 beer. No gaskets no fluids and no mess. plus I bought them for under 300 bucks, need no special tools other than some allen wrenchs. I say a really nice set the other day online the happend to be black which was a otion that no one except the 1000 dollar and up companies were offering this time last year. Shop around a little and look at the styles alot of them really look good when installed.
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Burlington Ontario Canada
RE: Forward controlls
Mine's the HD kit... I do quite like it, it's understated, but that's just my taste. I'm going to be givin it some custom paint on the tins so she'll have plenty of flash in the end. Definately a fun project though. I just wish I'd started an hour earlier tonight (I would have darted out to get that 30mm socket)... ah ... tomorrow is another day.
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: From Long Island, now in So. Cal
RE: Forward controlls
[sm=dontgetit.gif]...........Why remove the primary when you can install the forward controls and remove the original shifter shaft without removing the primary?
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Gulf Coast
RE: Forward controlls
ORIGINAL: WS6 Formula
You donât have to remove the primary, read post #4 https://www.hdforums.com/m_576946/tm.htm
You donât have to remove the primary, read post #4 https://www.hdforums.com/m_576946/tm.htm
Good Luck
Tom
Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Texarkana, TX
RE: Forward controlls
davidchristopher,
Ok first of all,... I cant remember the exact size of the socket that I used but it was standard NOT metric.The only metric bolts that I have managed to find was on the brakes. The easiest way to remove the inner primary is use an air impact wrench on the main shaft nut and the clutch hub nut. You will also need a set of ring pliers to remove the retaining ring on the clutch hub. I adjusted and tested my air impact wrench to verify the torque so I just then used it to install the clutch hub nut and main shaft nut. If you have the shop manuel just make sure to follow the tips and directions in it EXACTLY and you wont have a problem. Remember the clutch hub nut is reverse thread. and just use a zip tie on the auto chain tensioner like the manuel says and I cant imagine a problem. My next suggestion is to get you a couple of torque wrenches You can get a couple of cheaper ones for appx $20 each. Get one in ft lbs and one in inch lbs. I was pretty intimidated when I first thought of changing out the inner primary myself, but its really not difficult if you have the shop manuel. As far as the other suggestion of using the hacksaw blade to remove the old shifter shaft,.... That can be done but I dont see how you can change out the transmission shifter arm to the new one in the kitwithout removing the inner primary. Bottom line,... just take your time follow the suggested directions in the kit and in the shop manuel andyou wont have a problem, and when your done you will have a greater sense of accomplishment.
John
Ok first of all,... I cant remember the exact size of the socket that I used but it was standard NOT metric.The only metric bolts that I have managed to find was on the brakes. The easiest way to remove the inner primary is use an air impact wrench on the main shaft nut and the clutch hub nut. You will also need a set of ring pliers to remove the retaining ring on the clutch hub. I adjusted and tested my air impact wrench to verify the torque so I just then used it to install the clutch hub nut and main shaft nut. If you have the shop manuel just make sure to follow the tips and directions in it EXACTLY and you wont have a problem. Remember the clutch hub nut is reverse thread. and just use a zip tie on the auto chain tensioner like the manuel says and I cant imagine a problem. My next suggestion is to get you a couple of torque wrenches You can get a couple of cheaper ones for appx $20 each. Get one in ft lbs and one in inch lbs. I was pretty intimidated when I first thought of changing out the inner primary myself, but its really not difficult if you have the shop manuel. As far as the other suggestion of using the hacksaw blade to remove the old shifter shaft,.... That can be done but I dont see how you can change out the transmission shifter arm to the new one in the kitwithout removing the inner primary. Bottom line,... just take your time follow the suggested directions in the kit and in the shop manuel andyou wont have a problem, and when your done you will have a greater sense of accomplishment.
John
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Road Master
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: T-City, Wa.
RE: Forward controlls
JMBEAR328,
What year are you working on? I am sure that the manual even says metric, but I am sure that I had the actual nut in my hand and went to buy a 30mm socket just for it. Test fitted it several times to make sure and it was a 30mm. Maybe you are talking about a different year than 06. I just want to make sure that if someone is doing this on an 06 that I am sure it is a 30mm and left handed thread, which by the way some torque wrenches will not read on left handed threads, trust me, I have one.
What year are you working on? I am sure that the manual even says metric, but I am sure that I had the actual nut in my hand and went to buy a 30mm socket just for it. Test fitted it several times to make sure and it was a 30mm. Maybe you are talking about a different year than 06. I just want to make sure that if someone is doing this on an 06 that I am sure it is a 30mm and left handed thread, which by the way some torque wrenches will not read on left handed threads, trust me, I have one.
Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,346
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From: Texarkana, TX
RE: Forward controlls
Stanger,
My bike is an 06 Dyna Superglide and the correct socket for the Mainshaft nut on the clutch hub is a 1 1/8in standard size. Just to make 100% sure I called a buddy of mine who is a service tech at my local dealer and he confirmed that itrequires a 1 1/8in socket. He also stated that there are very few metric bolts on a Harley. He stated the battery box and the brakes are just about the only ones that are metric that he can think of right off hand. Oh and by the way,... I didnt use my torque wrench on that nut or the compensating sprocket nut either,.... as I said,... I adjusted my air impact wrech to the correct amount of torque and used it to loosen and attach those nuts. But just a side note I have one of the cheap needle-type foot lbs torque wrenches and it reads left and right hand values. I used my torque wrenchon the sealed fasteners that attach the inner primary to the engine and tranny and my inch lbs torque wrench on the outter primary housing bolts. Hope this info helps a bit. Sorry sometimes its easier to explain than to type.
John
My bike is an 06 Dyna Superglide and the correct socket for the Mainshaft nut on the clutch hub is a 1 1/8in standard size. Just to make 100% sure I called a buddy of mine who is a service tech at my local dealer and he confirmed that itrequires a 1 1/8in socket. He also stated that there are very few metric bolts on a Harley. He stated the battery box and the brakes are just about the only ones that are metric that he can think of right off hand. Oh and by the way,... I didnt use my torque wrench on that nut or the compensating sprocket nut either,.... as I said,... I adjusted my air impact wrech to the correct amount of torque and used it to loosen and attach those nuts. But just a side note I have one of the cheap needle-type foot lbs torque wrenches and it reads left and right hand values. I used my torque wrenchon the sealed fasteners that attach the inner primary to the engine and tranny and my inch lbs torque wrench on the outter primary housing bolts. Hope this info helps a bit. Sorry sometimes its easier to explain than to type.
John