Died , Dead , WHY ?
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Died , Dead , WHY ?
2000 Electra Glide Ultra Classic with a Motor Trike trike kit Kit installed 2016.
Well ,left for a little ride today got over an hour up the road and stopped at Mini-Mart for the wife to make a pit stop . We left the market and headed up the road got about 3 miles and we were climbing a hill , going thru the gears 2nd , 3rd and the BIKE DIED !
Lost all electrical power . No power anywhere.
Pulled the seat off ,checked fuses, they're all 10 & 15 amp fuses and they are all good. I'm looking for a Main Fuse ,like a 40 amp ?? Is there such a thing on a 2000 Electra Glide ?
I don't see anything . Battery checks out fine, it's only 5 days old. Wiring all looks good.
Anyone have any ideas?? Had a friend with a trailer haul us home . Thank you !
Well ,left for a little ride today got over an hour up the road and stopped at Mini-Mart for the wife to make a pit stop . We left the market and headed up the road got about 3 miles and we were climbing a hill , going thru the gears 2nd , 3rd and the BIKE DIED !
Lost all electrical power . No power anywhere.
Pulled the seat off ,checked fuses, they're all 10 & 15 amp fuses and they are all good. I'm looking for a Main Fuse ,like a 40 amp ?? Is there such a thing on a 2000 Electra Glide ?
I don't see anything . Battery checks out fine, it's only 5 days old. Wiring all looks good.
Anyone have any ideas?? Had a friend with a trailer haul us home . Thank you !
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I believe that year has a circuit breaker instead of a main fuse. Read lots about the older bikes with corroded fuse box connections and main switch corrosion with over heated terminals.
Nothing left to do now except break out the volt ohm meter, wiring diagrams and start checking for voltages. Starting at the components that could shut down the whole electrical system.
Good luck.
Nothing left to do now except break out the volt ohm meter, wiring diagrams and start checking for voltages. Starting at the components that could shut down the whole electrical system.
Good luck.
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I believe that year has a circuit breaker instead of a main fuse. Read lots about the older bikes with corroded fuse box connections and main switch corrosion with over heated terminals.
Nothing left to do now except break out the volt ohm meter, wiring diagrams and start checking for voltages. Starting at the components that could shut down the whole electrical system.
Good luck.
Nothing left to do now except break out the volt ohm meter, wiring diagrams and start checking for voltages. Starting at the components that could shut down the whole electrical system.
Good luck.
My service manual doesn't show a layout that looks like my bike at all !
Thank you
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That year had a main fuse. 40 amp, which harley changed you 50. Its not expensive. I replaced based on age.
Also back then people were threatening class action lawsuit on some year because main breaker would trip.
Also when it comes to getting help, no one cares about the story. Your wife has nothing to do with this. Just list facts. Other wise it is a lot to sift through and people miss details. It doesn't matter if your wife had to poop.
You need to capture as much details, and don't loose it in the story.
But either way, based on age, and Harley updated, and cheap, replace main breaker for the heck of it.
Also back then people were threatening class action lawsuit on some year because main breaker would trip.
Also when it comes to getting help, no one cares about the story. Your wife has nothing to do with this. Just list facts. Other wise it is a lot to sift through and people miss details. It doesn't matter if your wife had to poop.
You need to capture as much details, and don't loose it in the story.
But either way, based on age, and Harley updated, and cheap, replace main breaker for the heck of it.
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That year had a main fuse. 40 amp, which harley changed you 50. Its not expensive. I replaced based on age.
Also back then people were threatening class action lawsuit on some year because main breaker would trip.
Also when it comes to getting help, no one cares about the story. Your wife has nothing to do with this. Just list facts. Other wise it is a lot to sift through and people miss details. It doesn't matter if your wife had to poop.
You need to capture as much details, and don't loose it in the story.
But either way, based on age, and Harley updated, and cheap, replace main breaker for the heck of it.
Also back then people were threatening class action lawsuit on some year because main breaker would trip.
Also when it comes to getting help, no one cares about the story. Your wife has nothing to do with this. Just list facts. Other wise it is a lot to sift through and people miss details. It doesn't matter if your wife had to poop.
You need to capture as much details, and don't loose it in the story.
But either way, based on age, and Harley updated, and cheap, replace main breaker for the heck of it.
My fuse box is behind the left side cover.
Thank you
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From: backwoods
Its not just you, people do these grand stories, that really have nothing to do with what needs to be reviewed, and people then don't read it all.
Look in front of your battery, under seat. 1" cube kinda. Going from memory. Either way under seat. Maybe parts diagram would show better.
Look in front of your battery, under seat. 1" cube kinda. Going from memory. Either way under seat. Maybe parts diagram would show better.
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2000 Electra Glide Ultra Classic with a Motor Trike trike kit Kit installed 2016.
Well ,left for a little ride today got over an hour up the road and stopped at Mini-Mart for the wife to make a pit stop . We left the market and headed up the road got about 3 miles and we were climbing a hill , going thru the gears 2nd , 3rd and the BIKE DIED !
Lost all electrical power . No power anywhere.
Pulled the seat off ,checked fuses, they're all 10 & 15 amp fuses and they are all good. I'm looking for a Main Fuse ,like a 40 amp ?? Is there such a thing on a 2000 Electra Glide ?
I don't see anything . Battery checks out fine, it's only 5 days old. Wiring all looks good.
Anyone have any ideas?? Had a friend with a trailer haul us home . Thank you !
Well ,left for a little ride today got over an hour up the road and stopped at Mini-Mart for the wife to make a pit stop . We left the market and headed up the road got about 3 miles and we were climbing a hill , going thru the gears 2nd , 3rd and the BIKE DIED !
Lost all electrical power . No power anywhere.
Pulled the seat off ,checked fuses, they're all 10 & 15 amp fuses and they are all good. I'm looking for a Main Fuse ,like a 40 amp ?? Is there such a thing on a 2000 Electra Glide ?
I don't see anything . Battery checks out fine, it's only 5 days old. Wiring all looks good.
Anyone have any ideas?? Had a friend with a trailer haul us home . Thank you !
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You state "Battery checks out fine, it's only 5 days old. Wiring all looks good."
Who changed battery?
What was the replacement battery brand?
What does it mean to you when you state "wiring looks good".
Reason:
Aftermarket batteries generally have terminals that are not flush with the side if battery case if your bike has side mounted cables.
The aftermarket battery will come with some weird looking brass like spacers that are to be used to mount cables flat to terminals.
Failure to use spacers will allow cables to "look" ok but they will not be flush and may make poor contact.
The terminals will get hot due to poor contact on battery and can melt battery terminal too.
Did you check the FOUR (4) ends of battery cables? Not unusual for people to just look at battery end and never look at the other ends. The ground to frame or to transmission is often not reviewed.
How do you know that new battery is OK? Has new battery been tested?
Did you check to see if new battery was charging at idle & high idle with a meter at battery terminals after installation? Perhaps you were running on battery only and were not charging after new battery installation.
Also review the circuit breaker under the seat. Next to battery. Battery cable leads to it. Those will sometimes fail in high road salt cold weather areas.
There is the possibility of the "tip" sensor / Bank angle sensor got tripped...I thought trikes required that it be bypassed or perhaps it was just side car bikes.
The bank angle sensor cuts power during a tip over or when it thinks bike tipped over.
In 99-00 there was a recall about the bracket for the sensor breaking and then the sensor tripped since bracket was broken and it allowed sensor to trip.
From a distance the bank angle sensor activation is a possibility..especially if you were on an incline or hit a bump.
I doubt it was the fuel tank vent (another service thing) since you loss all power and it was not just a shut down do to no fuel flow..and removing the fuel cap would have allowed bike to go on.
Who changed battery?
What was the replacement battery brand?
What does it mean to you when you state "wiring looks good".
Reason:
Aftermarket batteries generally have terminals that are not flush with the side if battery case if your bike has side mounted cables.
The aftermarket battery will come with some weird looking brass like spacers that are to be used to mount cables flat to terminals.
Failure to use spacers will allow cables to "look" ok but they will not be flush and may make poor contact.
The terminals will get hot due to poor contact on battery and can melt battery terminal too.
Did you check the FOUR (4) ends of battery cables? Not unusual for people to just look at battery end and never look at the other ends. The ground to frame or to transmission is often not reviewed.
How do you know that new battery is OK? Has new battery been tested?
Did you check to see if new battery was charging at idle & high idle with a meter at battery terminals after installation? Perhaps you were running on battery only and were not charging after new battery installation.
Also review the circuit breaker under the seat. Next to battery. Battery cable leads to it. Those will sometimes fail in high road salt cold weather areas.
There is the possibility of the "tip" sensor / Bank angle sensor got tripped...I thought trikes required that it be bypassed or perhaps it was just side car bikes.
The bank angle sensor cuts power during a tip over or when it thinks bike tipped over.
In 99-00 there was a recall about the bracket for the sensor breaking and then the sensor tripped since bracket was broken and it allowed sensor to trip.
From a distance the bank angle sensor activation is a possibility..especially if you were on an incline or hit a bump.
I doubt it was the fuel tank vent (another service thing) since you loss all power and it was not just a shut down do to no fuel flow..and removing the fuel cap would have allowed bike to go on.
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Thanks for the reply ,
Battery has been tested . I'm gonna go search for circuit breaker and check the wiring better. I have a service manual but as i stated ,it doesn't show location of circuit breaker and the diagrams in the manual don't match my bike !
I had rode about 90 minutes when it happened.
Battery has been tested . I'm gonna go search for circuit breaker and check the wiring better. I have a service manual but as i stated ,it doesn't show location of circuit breaker and the diagrams in the manual don't match my bike !
I had rode about 90 minutes when it happened.