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Old Jun 21, 2015 | 08:05 PM
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Worth a try. You could even retard the cam by 4* for a 60* intake close. However, it the tuner can't get decent numbers and a respectable power curve; time to change tuners. JMHO.

As to your comment about the head work. You are pulling the heads anyway to change valve springs so at least have the chamber volume measured. The work I am referring to isn't that costly and doesn't take much time and is not "just to run a cam" but to open up cam selection to many more cams.
Found a local shop (Al @ Diablo V-twin) he accessed the timing table(s) and MAP and increased the bases and enabled Anti-Knock bike woke up a little, but never showed the Anti-Knock engaging. Bumped up the timing again, ran the flight again and still no knock and a little more power but around 4k the power is all I'd ever want. I think more fuel and more timing up top is obtainable but not necessary or sustainable/ compatible for engine life.

You have been right all along its a tuning issue.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2015 | 08:41 AM
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Found a local shop (Al @ Diablo V-twin) he accessed the timing table(s) and MAP and increased the bases and enabled Anti-Knock bike woke up a little, but never showed the Anti-Knock engaging. Bumped up the timing again, ran the flight again and still no knock and a little more power but around 4k the power is all I'd ever want. I think more fuel and more timing up top is obtainable but not necessary or sustainable/ compatible for engine life.

You have been right all along its a tuning issue.
Sounds like Al knows what he is doing. I would imagine that you don't spend much time at 4000rpms? Why not let Al optimize the tune? You probably spend most of your riding time between 2500 and 3500 rpms which is where you want the power.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 05:27 PM
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Sounds like Al knows what he is doing. I would imagine that you don't spend much time at 4000rpms? Why not let Al optimize the tune? You probably spend most of your riding time between 2500 and 3500 rpms which is where you want the power.
It was a lot to take in but from what I understand he didn't want to increase the timing any more without seeing AFR. When he gets his dyno back up I am going to have him optimize the tune.

Thank you Sir for all the patience and hints towards finding another tuner.
 
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It was a lot to take in but from what I understand he didn't want to increase the timing any more without seeing AFR. When he gets his dyno back up I am going to have him optimize the tune.

Thank you Sir for all the patience and hints towards finding another tuner.


he did that without a dyno?.... keep him.
 
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