Those pipes aren't going to help low end but if you are going for sound.....

 

So could i have someone just throw it on the dyno and tune it or do i need a actual tuner to plug into the bike. Guy i bought it off said harley had tuned it on a dyno when he had the stage one kit done and he has no tuner for the bike but my buddy had a stage one kit done on his 19 streetglide at the dealer and they gave him a tuner for it

 

Hardware and software are required for a proper dyno tune. Some tuners sell "licenses" for say the Power Vision so the customer does not need to buy the system; customer pays for the license, tuner tunes and provides the customer with the tune on a thumb drive. Customer will need to return to the original tuner for future modifications that require a re-tune. So that may be an option for you; if not, you will need to purchase a fuel management system. Stay away from a dealer "tune"; their track record has been less than stellar. Find a local tuner and discuss tuning options with him.

The previous owner did not get a dyno tune with the Stage I kit; he got an ECM flash which is worthless; adds a bit of fuel across the rpm range and increase the rev limit. Later models required tuning with the SEPST which the customer pays for separately from the cost of the Stage I upgrade. Dealers don't "give" tuners away.

 

If the person selling the license puts that on the thumb drive it can be retuned by any powervision, which should be done anyways since you paid for it and is worthless to another bike. license is just a data file specific to the bike's serial number

 

Agreed, poor choice of words. Customer does not NEED to return to the original tuner but I would return to the original tuner for many and varied reasons. Main one being, in my case, the tuner was the builder; however, you are correct to point that out.

 

There is a lot of miss conception about the license program from Powervision, I think it's a good program especially for those of us with more than one bike. I do agree with you about sticking with one tuner they get to know you and your machines. However if you had to relocate or sold the bike the license is still usable.

 

Any feedback on the sns 583 cams are they comparable to the 204s. They sound alittle more agressive as far as the harley “lope” goes in the youtube vids.

 

we use a lot of the 583 cams for builds looking for great low end torque and they deliver when set @ 9.8-1 to 10.0-1.,that said we don't do work looking for a certain sound or idle,all our work is geared towards actual performance,