Street/Strip 124" Build
No, it shouldn't and that's the important end. Especially in a race build anyway. HP wins races. Low end torque is for touring bikes to get their 900lb. bikes and 650lbs. of rider/passenger weight off the line. lol
Oops, did I say that out loud? ;p
Here's a 124" in a '93 XL. From the XL forums...
Here's the entire thread spanning 7 years.
Interesting and nice sounding bike. I found the link http://www.camerondonald.com/trease-...sland-classic/
The torque curve of the 124" engine looks like a table. So the power builds up without peaks or dips. In low rpm its brutal, then it gets worse

Same runs but with torque in Newtonmeter (SAE)
Since the bike has oem wheel base I can not use full power until third gear. In third gear she does power wheelies too, but not that high.
The engine is quite civilized on the street. Low fuel consumption, nice behaviors and easy starting. I guess that this is a result of the closed loop S&S VFI fuel injection, S&S combustion chamber design and electric compression releases.
But for track racing and fast cornering, this much displacement is probably not the right way to go. Very picky on the throttle control, since a very small increment on the throttle handle is the only difference beteween hard engine braking and hard acceleration. Nursing the rear tire to keep traction during fast cornering with a light bike is a lot easier with a smaller and faster spinning engine. This is more of a hot rod harley.
Last edited by 60Gunner; Aug 5, 2020 at 12:37 PM.
Anything, anything, off even a little bit in the recipe, Equals less than optimum results. See it all the time, and the end result is a pissed off or disillusioned owner, who was guaranteed big numbers, and got far less at the end of the day than they were promised.
No free lunch.
A couple car quotes on making V 8 power......
https://rehermorrison.com/tech-talk-...nch-fallacies/
And,
Here is what Darin Morgan aka, HP king says...
Cylinder head specialist Darin Morgan says that with all the aftermarket heads available choosing a cylinder head today is a difficult task. Unfortunately, a bad choice can cost thousands of dollars in wasted time, says Morgan, and a bad head choice may go unnoticed without ever lshowcasing how good your engine could have been.So with all the heads on the market, how do you make the right choice? Morgan says its a complex issue with no simple answer.
"I wish I could lay out some quick and easy mathematical equations or some simple guidelines to help, but there simply arent any," says Morgan. "Its a complex issue, which is why so many people have trouble. The best way to grasp whats most important is to use what I consider the five most important variables used to tune the induction system.
- Average velocity;
- Individual instantaneous velocities;
- Shape/design (maximize a homogeneous velocity profile over the entire port and at the same time promote efficient flow);
- Rate of velocity change; and
- Airflow.
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Anything, anything, off even a little bit in the recipe, Equals less than optimum results. See it all the time, and the end result is a pissed off or disillusioned owner, who was guaranteed big numbers, and got far less at the end of the day than they were promised.
No free lunch.
A couple car quotes on making V 8 power......
https://rehermorrison.com/tech-talk-...nch-fallacies/
And,
Here is what Darin Morgan aka, HP king says...
Cylinder head specialist Darin Morgan says that with all the aftermarket heads available choosing a cylinder head today is a difficult task. Unfortunately, a bad choice can cost thousands of dollars in wasted time, says Morgan, and a bad head choice may go unnoticed without ever lshowcasing how good your engine could have been.So with all the heads on the market, how do you make the right choice? Morgan says its a complex issue with no simple answer.
"I wish I could lay out some quick and easy mathematical equations or some simple guidelines to help, but there simply arent any," says Morgan. "Its a complex issue, which is why so many people have trouble. The best way to grasp whats most important is to use what I consider the five most important variables used to tune the induction system.
- Average velocity;
- Individual instantaneous velocities;
- Shape/design (maximize a homogeneous velocity profile over the entire port and at the same time promote efficient flow);
- Rate of velocity change; and
- Airflow.
I trust his recipe, as this same setup with his 110 heads, same cam, pipe, and compression made 163hp on his dyno (on 93 pump gas), and put his 700lb Road King in the deep 10s.
I trust his recipe, as this same setup with his 110 heads, same cam, pipe, and compression made 163hp on his dyno (on 93 pump gas), and put his 700lb Road King in the deep 10s.
Ive only had Baisley and SA Racing touch my heads, but Wolfgang knows his stuff, for sure. You and Wolf have to be on the same page as to goals (Ex:longevity), to have a successful build at the end of the day. Remember, your numbers (whatever they end up being), with be compromised by those street goals, and a full drag strip 124 numbers will be different than yours. Just the way it is....At the end of the day, its why its so hard for example, for my Crap Cali pump gas 126 street bike to run high nines N/A-you have to thread a very fine line between street and strip. Take some away on lift, flow, velocity, intake size, compression etc.... go slower and watch the big numbers drop. Add comp, lift, fuel octane, etc...it sucks as a daily driver-but youll be a hero with your buddies- Ive been at both sides of the coin and almost Ruined a very fast street bike cause I wanted more, more, more...
So, pick your poison, and even if you do, you Still might not get what you want...but you might get what you need.


