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Why does the MoCo measure engine temp at the front cylinder?

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Old Jun 26, 2023 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tdrglide
As long as the ECM knows where it is...

I also monitor rear cylinder head temp. Gauge is mounted where ambient air temp gauge used to be. Cause ambient air temp gauge is stupid
My 2000 ECM doesn't much care about temp other than to know when the engine is hot enough to go closed loop (I have a ThinderMax and O2 sensors) so it's up to me do care about heat.

Like you, I've replaced my air temp gauge with a cyl head temp gauge monitoring the rear cyl.i just installed. It yesterday a d the pickup is temporarily under the spark plug until I figure out a better place to put it
 
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Old Jun 26, 2023 | 02:29 PM
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I stand corrected, front cyl!
 
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Old Jun 26, 2023 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Z
My 2000 ECM doesn't much care about temp other than to know when the engine is hot enough to go closed loop (I have a ThinderMax and O2 sensors) so it's up to me do care about heat.

Like you, I've replaced my air temp gauge with a cyl head temp gauge monitoring the rear cyl.i just installed. It yesterday a d the pickup is temporarily under the spark plug until I figure out a better place to put it
Tmax uses cylinder head temp (HD engine temp) to adjust ignition timing, AFR and idle.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 10:39 AM
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@Max Headflow I've moved my cylinder head temp gauge pickup to the same spot as the the factory pickup, with the ring of the new one placed under the body of the factory one. I was amazed how vastly different the temp was there, as compared to when I had the pickup ring under the rear cylinder spark plug for a few days (just done as a test, not with the intent of leaving it there.)

I'm about to take a long ride through the desert southwest, with temps expected to be as much as 113. May I ask what you'd advise for temps that I might want to consider as "yellow zone" (the temp when I aught to start paying attention) and "red zone" (where it's time to pull over until things cool down)?
 
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@Max Headflow I've moved my cylinder head temp gauge pickup to the same spot as the the factory pickup, with the ring of the new one placed under the body of the factory one. I was amazed how vastly different the temp was there, as compared to when I had the pickup ring under the rear cylinder spark plug for a few days (just done as a test, not with the intent of leaving it there.)

I'm about to take a long ride through the desert southwest, with temps expected to be as much as 113. May I ask what you'd advise for temps that I might want to consider as "yellow zone" (the temp when I aught to start paying attention) and "red zone" (where it's time to pull over until things cool down)?
I don't really know what your gauge is doing to say or if it too hot.. I would suspect that if it is measuring above 350 intake side front that it's too hot.. .


What I would note is that the motors are really like cold blooded animals. In other words under normal conditions at say 80F the head temp reads 290F then at 113F it should read 313F (add 23 degrees 113-80 - 23). Kind of go from there..
 
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Old Jul 11, 2023 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
I don't really know what your gauge is doing to say or if it too hot.. I would suspect that if it is measuring above 350 intake side front that it's too hot.. .


What I would note is that the motors are really like cold blooded animals. In other words under normal conditions at say 80F the head temp reads 290F then at 113F it should read 313F (add 23 degrees 113-80 - 23). Kind of go from there..
Understood, and thanks for your input!
 
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