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Old May 29, 2026 | 02:05 PM
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@jim@audiodogstudio.com. My bad. Didn't notice they didn't give the figures for best wire size using either the .105 or the .108 for you motor.

The #36 drill is actually 0.1053 at the shank in. Only 0.0003 bigger. Why I said use the 7/64 that was only 0.0002 bigger and figured you had that.

Sorry. Either pin size will work if you had your original cam gear to compare.
 

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Old May 29, 2026 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
It does have a bit of a grinding sound to it.. Mismatched gear pitch? I saw somewhere that you can simply buy a gear set including the cam and pinion. That way there is no confustion.
It can be difficult to pin down a noise from a recording. Buying a matching gear set doesn't mean that the gear mesh will be right for the particular engine. Back in 1974 the tooling wasn't as accurate as a CNC, so the tolerances weren't as good as they are now. The reason that there are different sizes of pinion & cam gears is there were variances of the locations of the pinion and cam journals, so the gears had to be hand fitted from the factory to fit correctly.
 
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Old May 29, 2026 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tommy C
It can be difficult to pin down a noise from a recording. Buying a matching gear set doesn't mean that the gear mesh will be right for the particular engine. Back in 1974 the tooling wasn't as accurate as a CNC, so the tolerances weren't as good as they are now. The reason that there are different sizes of pinion & cam gears is there were variances of the locations of the pinion and cam journals, so the gears had to be hand fitted from the factory to fit correctly.
Absolutely. I've got oversized Twinkey gear drive cams for when the clearance isn't correct. Even off by a couple of thou they can rattle pretty good. It would not surprise me that it's a gear pitch issue or even gears real tight.
 
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Old May 29, 2026 | 04:41 PM
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Absolutely. I've got oversized Twinkey gear drive cams for when the clearance isn't correct. Even off by a couple of thou they can rattle pretty good. It would not surprise me that it's a gear pitch issue or even gears real tight.
The gears whine pretty loud if they are tight. The OP can pull a lifter block to check the gear lash if he is so inclined.
 
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Old May 29, 2026 | 06:01 PM
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The gears whine pretty loud if they are tight. The OP can pull a lifter block to check the gear lash if he is so inclined.
The lifter blocks are still out. What is the best way to check the gear lash?
 

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Old May 29, 2026 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jim@audiodogstudio.com
The lifter blocks are still out. What is the best way to check the gear lash?
Install the cam cover and the cam without the shim(s). Check to see that you are able to slide the cam back and forth without it binding, or feel noticeable play when rotating the cam & the gear. If it binds, you need a smaller gear, if you feel play between the gears, you need one size bigger.

Before you do this, check the crankshaft run out & end play first.
 

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Old May 29, 2026 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tommy C
Install the cam cover and the cam without the shim(s). Check to see that you are able to slide the cam back and forth without it binding, or feel noticeable play when rotating the cam & the gear. If it binds, you need a smaller gear, if you feel play between the gears, you need one size bigger.

Before you do this, check the crankshaft run out & end play first.
I did as you suggested. I was able to slide the cam back and forth with no real resistance. When I tried to rotate it, I felt a very small amount of play. It is difficult for me to quantify the amount of play, but it was noticeable.
 
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Old May 29, 2026 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jim@audiodogstudio.com
I did as you suggested. I was able to slide the cam back and forth with no real resistance. When I tried to rotate it, I felt a very small amount of play. It is difficult for me to quantify the amount of play, but it was noticeable.
You might be able to go in the lifter block hole with a test indicator.
 
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Old May 29, 2026 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
You might be able to go in the lifter block hole with a test indicator.
I might be able to get a dial indicator in there against a cam lobe. I'll try that tomorrow.
 
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Ok, so I haven't had a chance to do any measurement on the cam gear play yet but here is what I did for the pinion shaft play. Hopefully my methodology was solid.
 
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