103 upgrade from 96 info
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Thanks again djl. ok got it. and to pick the right cam you have to see where you want the power range to be right? Or is there a good across the board cam for 107? Read something about some cams being noisy. Is that the trade off for power? Id like a relatively quiet came so I dont think somethings wrong in motor every time I start her up.
If you are thinking cam first for the 96", the Andrews 48 is a popular bolt in for a cam only upgrade to an otherwise Stage I motor. Once you decide to go the bigger bore route, you shouldn't have any trouble selling the 48. If/when you decide to go bigger bore, find a shop that will work with you on an exchange basis for the top end and rely on their exprience in selecting a cam set.
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Andrews 48. How does that compare to the Andrews 54? Fullsac recommends andrews 54 but all the threads I read about the 54 are 103 builds. ???
Also while replacing cams what would be a good lifter to use? I have 30k miles on her now and might be a good time to change those as well.
Also while replacing cams what would be a good lifter to use? I have 30k miles on her now and might be a good time to change those as well.
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Andrews 48. How does that compare to the Andrews 54? Fullsac recommends andrews 54 but all the threads I read about the 54 are 103 builds. ??? Also while replacing cams what would be a good lifter to use? I have 30k miles on her now and might be a good time to change those as well.
The 54 would be soft on the bottom in a 96" motor; the 48 a better choice as cam only upgrade.
Replacing lifters is not a bad idea. CompCam VThunder 850-1 lifters are decent and cheap; about $65 to your door. From there you can spend more, up to the $300 range. S&S lifters are a popular choice and they offer lifters at different price points; Gaterman seems to be the lifter de jour rignt now; Woods lifters seem to have run the course but IMHO are a good piece; HQ Black Ops lifters have been around a while and CYCO is now offering lifters at a good price but I don't know anything about them, like who makes them or where they are made. Do some research but any quality lifter will work.
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Andrews 48. How does that compare to the Andrews 54? Fullsac recommends andrews 54 but all the threads I read about the 54 are 103 builds. ???
Also while replacing cams what would be a good lifter to use? I have 30k miles on her now and might be a good time to change those as well.
Also while replacing cams what would be a good lifter to use? I have 30k miles on her now and might be a good time to change those as well.
If you do a cam upgrade to the Andrews 48's, you may decide you don't really need to go with a big boar kit later...or at least you won't be in a big rush. It depends on what you are looking for....but the 48's make a big difference on a 96. The bike will be lots more fun to ride.
I would replace lifters at 30K. Inner cam bearings will need to be replaced as well.
I've had good luck with both Gaterman and S&S lifters. The Gaterman 1023's are a quality product at a reasonable price. S&S also makes a high quality product, but a bit more expensive. Any high quality aftermarket lifter will be superior to HD or S/E's current offerings.
I'm currently running the Gaterman's with Andrews 48 cams and have zero issues.
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I think Im going to go with Andrews 48 cam upgrade with lifters, pushrods and bearings. I found a great youtube video on changing out the cams and pushrods but what about the lifters? Any tips tricks or step by step for lifters? I read something about lash and other tolerances and id like to try and do this myself and do it right the first time.
Read alot of good things on compcams lifters, and was looking at andrews ez install adj pushrods. I see two different versions available, just pushrods, and pushrods with covers. Will my stock covers fit the adjustables or do I need that whole kit?
Thanks again for all the feedback.
Read alot of good things on compcams lifters, and was looking at andrews ez install adj pushrods. I see two different versions available, just pushrods, and pushrods with covers. Will my stock covers fit the adjustables or do I need that whole kit?
Thanks again for all the feedback.
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I think Im going to go with Andrews 48 cam upgrade with lifters, pushrods and bearings. I found a great youtube video on changing out the cams and pushrods but what about the lifters? Any tips tricks or step by step for lifters? I read something about lash and other tolerances and id like to try and do this myself and do it right the first time.
Read alot of good things on compcams lifters, and was looking at andrews ez install adj pushrods. I see two different versions available, just pushrods, and pushrods with covers. Will my stock covers fit the adjustables or do I need that whole kit?
Thanks again for all the feedback.
Read alot of good things on compcams lifters, and was looking at andrews ez install adj pushrods. I see two different versions available, just pushrods, and pushrods with covers. Will my stock covers fit the adjustables or do I need that whole kit?
Thanks again for all the feedback.
If you go with EZ install pushrods you will need the kit with covers. The stock covers are longer and will cover the adjusters. The kit will make it easy to adjust the pushrods.
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Great pushrods but a PITA to adjust with OEM tubes; a PITA with the right tubes as well. For $135, a set of SE Tapered Quick Installs can be had from an online discount dealer. Kit includes pushrods, tubes and o-rings. PN 18404-08 IIRC.
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That kit will work. The two small brown o-rings are for the the suppy and return pasages from the oil pan. You will need a separate o-ring for the scavenge port. It's the same as the o-ring at the top of the pushrod tube in the cylinder head; PN 11293.
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