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Road Warrior
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From: Mount Rainier, Washington
I like this statement.. but just slapping a cam and lifters in is not the right way to do it. its the cheap way! the EV27 and W6 are both known for there torque gains. and there both known for there valve train noise more so on the W6. that's a price you have to pay for performance with more aggressive ramps. if you hear lifter noise you have a problem that's not normal. if you hear the valves slapping the seats from the aggressive ramps that's normal and there's nothing you can do about that. both of these cams rely on velocity to fill the cylinders with air and fuel but that come at a price to the compression ratio. your stock motor has a CR of 8.2:1 with a stock cam your corrected compression ratio or CCR would be 7.9:1 and with a EV27 it will drop to CCR 7.7:1 and the W6 would make it CCR 7.3:1 witch translates to soft on the bottom. to gain back what you lost at the very least a .030 head gasket will bring the CCR back to 7.95:1 on the EV27.
Road Master
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From: indiana
Thanks, that's very helpful information, I'm not looking for performance. I'm not going to be winning any races anyway. I just want to get rid of this horrible EPA compliant N cam that the factory put in. Personally I'm leaning more toward the Ev13 or EV23 or Crane Fireball 300 or 310.
those are all about the same ive never used the 310 so from those choices I would pick the 13.. you will gain a lot of bottom end torque but you might notice a drop in your top speed. if you go that fast. the 13 and 23 both sacrifice top end hp for bottom end torque
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Road Warrior
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From: Mount Rainier, Washington
I've never had a need on this bike to break 80mph so I don't see that as being a problem.
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Amen on the EV13
I think the key to selecting the right cam is to realistically define your riding style and habits.
I am happy with my setup. It may not have the biggest numbers if I were to dyno it but it works perfect for my riding style and habits as well as the other components. It pulls right from idle and doesn't have a flat spot or dip.
Someday I might have it dyno'd just to be able to put a number to how it feels.
EV13 will bolt right in, and like any cam, will benefit from other mods that are matched to enhance it. In other words, you can slap it in and call it good or you could do a few extra things and have something even better.
It's designed for heavier bikes from idle to 4,500 rpm's. It has more low end than EV27 but a little less top end.
So again, how you ride is key.
Also the EV13 significantly reduced my engine temperature.
I think the key to selecting the right cam is to realistically define your riding style and habits.
I am happy with my setup. It may not have the biggest numbers if I were to dyno it but it works perfect for my riding style and habits as well as the other components. It pulls right from idle and doesn't have a flat spot or dip.
Someday I might have it dyno'd just to be able to put a number to how it feels.
EV13 will bolt right in, and like any cam, will benefit from other mods that are matched to enhance it. In other words, you can slap it in and call it good or you could do a few extra things and have something even better.
It's designed for heavier bikes from idle to 4,500 rpm's. It has more low end than EV27 but a little less top end.
So again, how you ride is key.
Also the EV13 significantly reduced my engine temperature.
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Road Warrior
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From: Mount Rainier, Washington
Sounds like the EV13 fits my needs more than the EV27. This is my laid back cruiser, I do most of my riding on it on 2 lane black top cruising at 55mph. I like crisp throttle response and low to mid range torque. I'm trying to avoid any other mods because I never know when to stop. If you pull the heads, you might as well port and polish them and since you've got it torn down that far, you might as well pull the jugs for a hone and re ring. Hell, better yet it's a good time to put that big bore kit on......kind of like, If you give a mouse a cookie 
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From: Lafayette, Louisiana
Here is my parts list and prices for the engine.
Andrews EV-13 cam $119.95
Dynojet Thunderslide with Jet Kit 8708 $128.42
Crane Cams Time Saver Adjustable Push Rods 4-0030 $126.72
Dynatek 1009002 8 pin to 7 pin adapter $25.95
Dynatek 2000P DD2000-HD2EP ignition module $145
Crane Cams big axle lifters 3-2050. set of four for $189.95
Crane Cams cam bearing 7-0400 $15.51
Cometic Cam Gasket Service Kit C9624F $19.04
Cometic EST Top End Gasket Kit w/.030" Head $87.39
Screaming Eagle Air Cleaner Kit (Carbureted Evo) 295433-99B $127.96
New set of stock rings
Milled Heads .025"
Andrews EV-13 cam $119.95
Dynojet Thunderslide with Jet Kit 8708 $128.42
Crane Cams Time Saver Adjustable Push Rods 4-0030 $126.72
Dynatek 1009002 8 pin to 7 pin adapter $25.95
Dynatek 2000P DD2000-HD2EP ignition module $145
Crane Cams big axle lifters 3-2050. set of four for $189.95
Crane Cams cam bearing 7-0400 $15.51
Cometic Cam Gasket Service Kit C9624F $19.04
Cometic EST Top End Gasket Kit w/.030" Head $87.39
Screaming Eagle Air Cleaner Kit (Carbureted Evo) 295433-99B $127.96
New set of stock rings
Milled Heads .025"
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From: la la land jerzey
Here is my parts list and prices for the engine.
Andrews EV-13 cam $119.95
Dynojet Thunderslide with Jet Kit 8708 $128.42
Crane Cams Time Saver Adjustable Push Rods 4-0030 $126.72
Dynatek 1009002 8 pin to 7 pin adapter $25.95
Dynatek 2000P DD2000-HD2EP ignition module $145
Crane Cams big axle lifters 3-2050. set of four for $189.95
Crane Cams cam bearing 7-0400 $15.51
Cometic Cam Gasket Service Kit C9624F $19.04
Cometic EST Top End Gasket Kit w/.030" Head $87.39
Screaming Eagle Air Cleaner Kit (Carbureted Evo) 295433-99B $127.96
New set of stock rings
Milled Heads .025"
Andrews EV-13 cam $119.95
Dynojet Thunderslide with Jet Kit 8708 $128.42
Crane Cams Time Saver Adjustable Push Rods 4-0030 $126.72
Dynatek 1009002 8 pin to 7 pin adapter $25.95
Dynatek 2000P DD2000-HD2EP ignition module $145
Crane Cams big axle lifters 3-2050. set of four for $189.95
Crane Cams cam bearing 7-0400 $15.51
Cometic Cam Gasket Service Kit C9624F $19.04
Cometic EST Top End Gasket Kit w/.030" Head $87.39
Screaming Eagle Air Cleaner Kit (Carbureted Evo) 295433-99B $127.96
New set of stock rings
Milled Heads .025"
with out the changes you made the EV 13 is a dud in cam choices
BUT the OP does not want seat of the pants performance so he is good with that cam choice
Road Captain
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Ev-13
Ride Safe,
Harold
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Amen on the EV13
I think the key to selecting the right cam is to realistically define your riding style and habits.
I am happy with my setup. It may not have the biggest numbers if I were to dyno it but it works perfect for my riding style and habits as well as the other components. It pulls right from idle and doesn't have a flat spot or dip.
Someday I might have it dyno'd just to be able to put a number to how it feels.
EV13 will bolt right in, and like any cam, will benefit from other mods that are matched to enhance it. In other words, you can slap it in and call it good or you could do a few extra things and have something even better.
It's designed for heavier bikes from idle to 4,500 rpm's. It has more low end than EV27 but a little less top end.
So again, how you ride is key.
Also the EV13 significantly reduced my engine temperature.
I think the key to selecting the right cam is to realistically define your riding style and habits.
I am happy with my setup. It may not have the biggest numbers if I were to dyno it but it works perfect for my riding style and habits as well as the other components. It pulls right from idle and doesn't have a flat spot or dip.
Someday I might have it dyno'd just to be able to put a number to how it feels.
EV13 will bolt right in, and like any cam, will benefit from other mods that are matched to enhance it. In other words, you can slap it in and call it good or you could do a few extra things and have something even better.
It's designed for heavier bikes from idle to 4,500 rpm's. It has more low end than EV27 but a little less top end.
So again, how you ride is key.
Also the EV13 significantly reduced my engine temperature.
Good to see that somebody gets it....numbers mean nothing if you never ride hard enough to use them.....