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In the commercial and military aviation world, oil is analyzed from the time the engine is new until it goes to overhaul.
True as far as that goes, but as Dan89 pointed out, it really depends on the engine, or rather the cost of risk to the engine. I've never heard of analyzing reciprocating aviation engines at regular intervals because the cost of changing the oil is cheaper than having it analyzed. Expensive jet engines are analyzed more to measure engine wear than oil breakdown. Better to see the begining of a possible failure early than wait until it goes at 40,000 feet.
As to this discussion, I agree the Harley motor can handle a lot of dirty oil, truth be told most reciprocating engines can. But is that a good reason to do it?
A Harley mechanic once told me that I can get an extra half quart out of the twincam engine if I run it for about 8 seconds after the oil had been drained. I also found that if I lean the bike over, I can get almost that much out as well. I haven't a clue why, but it works. However, leaning a touring bike is also risky because you may lean past the point of no return.
I'm an engineer and licenced aircraft mechanic; the thought of accepting some dirty oil as normal is really annoying. I would love a drain plug on the bottom of the crank case.
Beary, I spent part of my working life at Rolls-Royce, with responsibility for the manufacture of components for aircraft engines, including Concorde, 707s, helicopter engines, etc. That is also when I started riding bikes and have been doing so for almost 50 years. I learned a long time ago to keep the two of them in separate boxes! My bike engines have always been fine with the dregs of dirty oil! Jus' sayin'!
When I got my S&S 111" I noticed that they did install a drain plug in the bottom of the crank case. I thought that was pretty cool. I like being able to drain all my oil. But I agree that it isn't necessary. Nice yes, but necessary, no.
My 113" has the same but thinly reason to pull the plug is if you suspect sumping, happened on mine and the oil bag started losing oil, pulled the plug and a qt came out... not a good thing....
I learned a long time ago to keep the two of them in separate boxes! My bike engines have always been fine with the dregs of dirty oil! Jus' sayin'!
I hear ya, I really do. But consider the reason Harley doesn't suggest an oil change for the first 1000 miles is because the engine tolerances are tighter and the oil quality is better. Well dirty oil cancels out some of the higher oil quality to me.
It's not keeping me up at night or making me go get an Indian or anything like that, but I would still like to have the drain plug.
in the original book written By uncle franks motorcycle repair from the 1950s - they said it was common to when overhauling a motor to use the primer pump at least 3 cycles before they would start a motor
up untill the 1940s when the oil tank was part of the fuel tank in a different space in the front of the tank left side harley, the bikes oil pump needed a hand and a hand pump was up on the gas tank left side so every once in a while as the motor got noizyer, you gave it a hand pump of oil that put oil onto the flywheels -- funny thing when you do it you need to heal back on the foot clutch because the engine speed goes up to about 2000 RPMs if you were in traffic it would push the bike foward - cool riding an antique Harley you have a left side foot clutch and its toe to go -left hand shift and left distributor timing advance / retard throttle - left side front brake lever - left side horn button and hi low beam toggel - right side throttle and right side rear brake foot pedal
Indian chief 1940s all the way back to WW1 - left side foot clutch heel to go - left side carb throttle - left horn and hi low switches - right side shifter - right side distributor advance / retard throttle - right side front brake lever - right side rear brake pedal
both having drum brakes you need to remember what bike your on BUT its not as what you might think - the indian is so different to ride then the harley ( cant explain ) you would have to drive one - I have never had an issue - some people cant do the cross and not change the indian to the harley controls
the reason Indian did it this way was police / military - cant shoot and throttle at the same time with you right hand
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