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Old May 9, 2015 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Three reasons, you can adjust out all valve train noise.
The engine has hydraulic lifters, much like many automobiles, and you don`t see adjustable pushrods used on any pushrod equipped cars, ever...

The piston in the lifter has the same oil pressure inside, no matter what position in the bore it is. How do you figure you can change this by adjusting the pushrod length?

I think most of the valvetrain noise that people are trying to solve by playing with adjustable lifters is not lifter noise at all, but excess backlash between the cam and pinion gear.

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and believe it or not better performance...
Adjustable pushrods do not add any performance to an engine, if fact they are heavier, so you are adding reciprocating weight in the valvetrain.
 

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Old May 9, 2015 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
The engine has hydraulic lifters, much like many automobiles, and you don`t see adjustable pushrods used on any pushrod equipped cars, ever...

The piston in the lifter has the same oil pressure inside, no matter what position in the bore it is. How do you figure you can change this by adjusting the pushrod length?

I think most of the valvetrain noise that people are trying to solve by playing with adjustable lifters is not lifter noise at all, but excess backlash between the cam and pinion gear.


Adjustable pushrods do not add any performance to an engine, if fact they are heavier, so you are adding reciprocating weight in the valvetrain.
There it's no way you can compare a cast steel engine block, ie: small block Chevy. Too an all aluminum HD engine...plus the adjustment on an automobile engine or the preload is set by adjusting the rockers not adjustable pushrods. You wouldn't have access to the pushrods to adjust them any ways. that statement makes no sense.....and because of the decreased amount of expansion in the small block Chevy it only requires 3/4 to one full revolution at the rocker stud which is a 3/8x16 stud and what does that equate to maybe approximately .040" to .050" preload? Oh by the way internal combustion automobile engines are water cooled limiting the amount of expansion...
 
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Old May 9, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
as the motor heats up and expands that expansion will be taken up by the hydraulic lifter ensuring full valve lift hot. n...
This is why I ask. Just wanted to be on the same page

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Yes.....steel pushrod and aluminum jugs and heads. They do not expand at the same rate..

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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Oh by the way internal combustion automobile engines are water cooled limiting the amount of expansion...
My point is that there is no reason to be adjusting valve lash in anything with hydraulic lifters/cam followers etc.

You don`t have to agree with me.
 
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Old May 9, 2015 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
My point is that there is no reason to be adjusting valve lash in anything with hydraulic lifters/cam followers etc.

You don`t have to agree with me.
K.. Point noted....
 
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Old May 9, 2015 | 12:49 PM
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Don't forget to square up the jugs too.
http://www.nrhsperformance.com/tech_...assembly.shtml
and http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2007...-heads-blocks/
 

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Old May 9, 2015 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Yes.....steel pushrod and aluminum jugs and heads. They do not expand at the same rate..

Apologies to the originator of this thread. No hi-Jack intended..
I am loving all the additional information. Keep it coming!

And besides, I was really just begging for luck and prayers anyways. lol
 
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Old May 9, 2015 | 03:02 PM
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I have quick install push rods on mine. On a test ride after installation, two of them loosened up, talk about noisy! I pulled into a park, and with a 1/2" and a 7"16" wrench, and something to hold up the covers, I was back on the road in a short time. Just make sure they're tight. If I had it to do over again, I'd put the stock back in.
 
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A million adjustable pushrods on the road with no problems, guess what, if you don't install or tighten everything else like it should be, they'll jingle rattle and fall off too.
 
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Old May 20, 2015 | 03:12 PM
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Well I managed to get it tore down and the head gasket was blown for sure.

Really worried that one of the head bolts was finger loose when I go in there but that was where the head gasket was blown. The base gasket came off in many pieces as well.

Heads and jugs were sent off to the machine shop and should have them back tomorrow or Friday. Really hoping everything bolts back up fine this weekend.

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