99 fatboy starter problem
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From: san dimas calif
99 fatboy starter problem
had ring gear jack shaft and a upgraded starter installed last year sounds like the jackshaft and ring gear wear grinden again so took in to shop and their telling me the starters bad the gears are fine they wonted to charge me another $900 to repair it again what would be not letting the jack shaft kick all the way out and grind like that
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me try again I have a starter problem , last year I replaced ring gear jack shaft and a upgraded starter ring gear was chewed up .now it sounds like the same problem again.so I took it back to the shop and ring gear is fine the jack shaft aint kicking out all the way it will start some times sounds like a grinding noise that's why I thought it was the ring gear again their telling me its a starter again I'm thinking solenoid any one out their has a opinion id appreciate it 99 fat boy thank you for your time wicked
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Here's a couple of options to look at.
1. weak battery? Need to ensure you have a good strong battery. Many times a weak battery and/or connection will not allow the solenoid to fully engage; therefore, not "kicking out" your pinion gear.
2. Solenoid may need to be rebuilt because copper contacts have gone bad. Rebuild kits are around $25.
3. Starter clutch gear is bad or going bad, and needs to be replaced. Gear from $40 and up.
4. Replace with a new starter. $150 and on up.
The most expensive option is a new starter. Depending what brand you get, they can cost up to $400, but you don't need to go expensive for most applications. I have a cheapo ($130) eBay chinese made Evo starter (1.4Kw) that has lasted for 4 years/4 months. The clutch gear just went bad, and I'm going to replace it. I could just buy another one, but I'm going to try the fix. Already took the easy way out last time.
Lastly, $900 to replace a starter is way too steep!! Seriously. Buy a starter, Youtube it, and replace yourself. Good luck.
1. weak battery? Need to ensure you have a good strong battery. Many times a weak battery and/or connection will not allow the solenoid to fully engage; therefore, not "kicking out" your pinion gear.
2. Solenoid may need to be rebuilt because copper contacts have gone bad. Rebuild kits are around $25.
3. Starter clutch gear is bad or going bad, and needs to be replaced. Gear from $40 and up.
4. Replace with a new starter. $150 and on up.
The most expensive option is a new starter. Depending what brand you get, they can cost up to $400, but you don't need to go expensive for most applications. I have a cheapo ($130) eBay chinese made Evo starter (1.4Kw) that has lasted for 4 years/4 months. The clutch gear just went bad, and I'm going to replace it. I could just buy another one, but I'm going to try the fix. Already took the easy way out last time.
Lastly, $900 to replace a starter is way too steep!! Seriously. Buy a starter, Youtube it, and replace yourself. Good luck.
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Hi Wycked,
Sorry about the starting issues...I've been down that road and know how frustrating it can be.
Daven9113 has given you some good advise but I have some to add. First, a torn up ring gear is often due to the chain in the primary being to tight. This is easy enough for you to check. When I bought my 93 Fxdl besides have the oil plug stripped out, the lifter filter access was ungodly tight and finally, the primary chain was so incredibly tight--the result, an excessive amount of wear on the ring gear. The bushing in the outer primary (jack shaft) was also scarred up slightly, so I replaced it as well as the one in the inner primary.
Make sure you check the condition of the battery. Take it to your auto parts store (NAPA, Advanced Auto, etc) they can load test it. If not performing well, a battery can definitely cause the jack shaft to be sluggish. Also, If your battery ground is not clean, it can mimic the signs of a bad battery.
If the starter is removed--and the outer part of the primary has to be removed. However, YOU can do this. It's not very difficult and I would gladly talk you through the steps, although an OEM manual would be your best bet here. To get the starter out, you do not have to remove the entire jack shaft but you do have to remove the long bolt that holds it in--you access this inside the primary. You can take the starter to a repair shop--call around, there has to be a generator/starter shop in your area. They can bench test it and tell you if it is going bad. I have more than 100,000 miles on my original started in one of my bikes and it has been rebuild one time. If the Solenoid needs to be rebuilt, they can or you can even do it (the manual should tell you exactly how but lots of people here, including myself, can help you out). When the starter clutch goes out...it tends to give lots of warning.
So, can you explain what your starting issues are currently? Is it slow cranking, not making any noise at all? One other area, maybe your starter relay or starter button is faulty, do you hear a clicking when you try starting it? I have a button on my solenoid (both bikes) that allows me to by pass all this wiring. The button actually allows the solenoid to be manually activated. If you can give some specific symptoms, it will be much easier to narrow down the source of your starting problem.
Give us a little more about the symptoms you are experiencing and have your battery tested. Then check out the battery ground, make sure it's clean and tight.
Frustrating as it is, there are specific steps that need to be taken to get to the real issue.
CatWoman
Sorry about the starting issues...I've been down that road and know how frustrating it can be.
Daven9113 has given you some good advise but I have some to add. First, a torn up ring gear is often due to the chain in the primary being to tight. This is easy enough for you to check. When I bought my 93 Fxdl besides have the oil plug stripped out, the lifter filter access was ungodly tight and finally, the primary chain was so incredibly tight--the result, an excessive amount of wear on the ring gear. The bushing in the outer primary (jack shaft) was also scarred up slightly, so I replaced it as well as the one in the inner primary.
Make sure you check the condition of the battery. Take it to your auto parts store (NAPA, Advanced Auto, etc) they can load test it. If not performing well, a battery can definitely cause the jack shaft to be sluggish. Also, If your battery ground is not clean, it can mimic the signs of a bad battery.
If the starter is removed--and the outer part of the primary has to be removed. However, YOU can do this. It's not very difficult and I would gladly talk you through the steps, although an OEM manual would be your best bet here. To get the starter out, you do not have to remove the entire jack shaft but you do have to remove the long bolt that holds it in--you access this inside the primary. You can take the starter to a repair shop--call around, there has to be a generator/starter shop in your area. They can bench test it and tell you if it is going bad. I have more than 100,000 miles on my original started in one of my bikes and it has been rebuild one time. If the Solenoid needs to be rebuilt, they can or you can even do it (the manual should tell you exactly how but lots of people here, including myself, can help you out). When the starter clutch goes out...it tends to give lots of warning.
So, can you explain what your starting issues are currently? Is it slow cranking, not making any noise at all? One other area, maybe your starter relay or starter button is faulty, do you hear a clicking when you try starting it? I have a button on my solenoid (both bikes) that allows me to by pass all this wiring. The button actually allows the solenoid to be manually activated. If you can give some specific symptoms, it will be much easier to narrow down the source of your starting problem.
Give us a little more about the symptoms you are experiencing and have your battery tested. Then check out the battery ground, make sure it's clean and tight.
Frustrating as it is, there are specific steps that need to be taken to get to the real issue.
CatWoman
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Hi Wycked,
Sorry about the starting issues...I've been down that road and know how frustrating it can be.
Daven9113 has given you some good advise but I have some to add. First, a torn up ring gear is often due to the chain in the primary being to tight. This is easy enough for you to check. When I bought my 93 Fxdl besides have the oil plug stripped out, the lifter filter access was ungodly tight and finally, the primary chain was so incredibly tight--the result, an excessive amount of wear on the ring gear. The bushing in the outer primary (jack shaft) was also scarred up slightly, so I replaced it as well as the one in the inner primary.
Make sure you check the condition of the battery. Take it to your auto parts store (NAPA, Advanced Auto, etc) they can load test it. If not performing well, a battery can definitely cause the jack shaft to be sluggish. Also, If your battery ground is not clean, it can mimic the signs of a bad battery.
If the starter is removed--and the outer part of the primary has to be removed. However, YOU can do this. It's not very difficult and I would gladly talk you through the steps, although an OEM manual would be your best bet here. To get the starter out, you do not have to remove the entire jack shaft but you do have to remove the long bolt that holds it in--you access this inside the primary. You can take the starter to a repair shop--call around, there has to be a generator/starter shop in your area. They can bench test it and tell you if it is going bad. I have more than 100,000 miles on my original started in one of my bikes and it has been rebuild one time. If the Solenoid needs to be rebuilt, they can or you can even do it (the manual should tell you exactly how but lots of people here, including myself, can help you out). When the starter clutch goes out...it tends to give lots of warning.
So, can you explain what your starting issues are currently? Is it slow cranking, not making any noise at all? One other area, maybe your starter relay or starter button is faulty, do you hear a clicking when you try starting it? I have a button on my solenoid (both bikes) that allows me to by pass all this wiring. The button actually allows the solenoid to be manually activated. If you can give some specific symptoms, it will be much easier to narrow down the source of your starting problem.
Give us a little more about the symptoms you are experiencing and have your battery tested. Then check out the battery ground, make sure it's clean and tight.
Frustrating as it is, there are specific steps that need to be taken to get to the real issue.
CatWoman
Sorry about the starting issues...I've been down that road and know how frustrating it can be.
Daven9113 has given you some good advise but I have some to add. First, a torn up ring gear is often due to the chain in the primary being to tight. This is easy enough for you to check. When I bought my 93 Fxdl besides have the oil plug stripped out, the lifter filter access was ungodly tight and finally, the primary chain was so incredibly tight--the result, an excessive amount of wear on the ring gear. The bushing in the outer primary (jack shaft) was also scarred up slightly, so I replaced it as well as the one in the inner primary.
Make sure you check the condition of the battery. Take it to your auto parts store (NAPA, Advanced Auto, etc) they can load test it. If not performing well, a battery can definitely cause the jack shaft to be sluggish. Also, If your battery ground is not clean, it can mimic the signs of a bad battery.
If the starter is removed--and the outer part of the primary has to be removed. However, YOU can do this. It's not very difficult and I would gladly talk you through the steps, although an OEM manual would be your best bet here. To get the starter out, you do not have to remove the entire jack shaft but you do have to remove the long bolt that holds it in--you access this inside the primary. You can take the starter to a repair shop--call around, there has to be a generator/starter shop in your area. They can bench test it and tell you if it is going bad. I have more than 100,000 miles on my original started in one of my bikes and it has been rebuild one time. If the Solenoid needs to be rebuilt, they can or you can even do it (the manual should tell you exactly how but lots of people here, including myself, can help you out). When the starter clutch goes out...it tends to give lots of warning.
So, can you explain what your starting issues are currently? Is it slow cranking, not making any noise at all? One other area, maybe your starter relay or starter button is faulty, do you hear a clicking when you try starting it? I have a button on my solenoid (both bikes) that allows me to by pass all this wiring. The button actually allows the solenoid to be manually activated. If you can give some specific symptoms, it will be much easier to narrow down the source of your starting problem.
Give us a little more about the symptoms you are experiencing and have your battery tested. Then check out the battery ground, make sure it's clean and tight.
Frustrating as it is, there are specific steps that need to be taken to get to the real issue.
CatWoman
I replaced the 10 ga. Dettoriatimg ground with a 2ga. BANG!
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