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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
Just to clarify:

All Evo engines have Timken bearings on the left side of the crank.
Timken is a brand, what you meant to say is that all Evo's have a Taper Roller bearing on the drive side of the crank. They are a very different beast from a Timken inner cam bearing.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardtail83
I may have posted this earlier in wrong forum section.

I'm looking at a custom softail that has an evo 80" harley crate motor. Since Harley moved away from Timken tapered bearings would anyone consider current crate motors inferior to the original evos? the engine number is AA12X7855.
Maybe I miss read something in the posts
Are you talking about the crank bearing or the cam bearing ???

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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 05:35 PM
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I was under the assumption the subject was crank bearings.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 05:53 PM
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HD changed the TC88 left main bearing which had been back-to-back Timken tapered rollers to a straight rollers in 2003 on the TWIN CAM.
OP is confused on the engine era I would assume
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 06:46 PM
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The engine number the OP listed does not look correct. A photo of the engine number and a few others of the engine might provide more details.

If it is an aftermarket engine, there are a limited number that have good reputations for reliability.

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Old Jan 8, 2023 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanners39
Timken is a brand, what you meant to say is that all Evo's have a Taper Roller bearing on the drive side of the crank. They are a very different beast from a Timken inner cam bearing.
Yeah, but common nomenclature refers "Timken" as "Tapered roller bearings". Like "Q-tip" and "Cotton swabs".
 
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Originally Posted by Spanners39
Timken is a brand, what you meant to say is that all Evo's have a Taper Roller bearing on the drive side of the crank. They are a very different beast from a Timken inner cam bearing.
Again Timken, SKF they are all just brands and should not be mistaken for type. The Timken A2 bearing which has been in use for over a half century in Shovels and Evo's and Automobiles is the actual bearing but easier to refer to as the Timken. Have not seen a Timken inner cam bearing but have the Koyo AKA Torrington.. or even a Boca b138 full compliment bearing.. All very good quality bearing company's...
 
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Old Jan 9, 2023 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pgreer
The engine number the OP listed does not look correct. A photo of the engine number and a few others of the engine might provide more details.

If it is an aftermarket engine, there are a limited number that have good reputations for reliability.

Paul
Yes reliability is the crucial thing to know. Any help is appreciated. here is a pic of the number on the engine. it was taken so close so can't tell "where" on the engine it's located. Regarding Timken..... yes tapered roller bearing is the actual type of bearing.





 

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Originally Posted by Solid_Knowledge
Yeah, but common nomenclature refers "Timken" as "Tapered roller bearings". Like "Q-tip" and "Cotton swabs".
Not where I am from it isn't....
 
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Originally Posted by Hardtail83
Yes reliability is the crucial thing to know. Any help is appreciated. here is a pic of the number on the engine. it was taken so close so can't tell "where" on the engine it's located. Regarding Timken..... yes tapered roller bearing is the actual type of bearing.





As far as I recall, every EVO engine I've had or worked on had the VIN on the left engine case just above the timing plug. With the picture of the left engine case, I zoomed in as much as I could and still make out some detail and I do not see anything there. The pictures are fairly small, so I can make out much detail. Same with the right side, it's just too small to see any details that would help identify it. Nothing I can see indicates it is HD or aftermarket. I can't make out much from the pictures so I can't say what it is.

As has been mentioned above, HD stopped making EVO crate engines a good while back. That doesn't mean someone found one in a warehouse etc, but they would be rare at this point. Also, I think mentioned previously by someone, with the HD Longblock program, they would take your left engine case back and stamp the original VIN on the replacement Longblock engine. Ideally it would be an S&S EVO engine, but I do not see anything that identifies it one way or the other. Usually S&S proudly marks their products for easy identification. Sorry I don''t have more to offer.

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