Too much $$ for a 95 Road King??
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I sold a sporty a few months ago. Had the ad price at $3200 and priced fairly. A guys calls and asks how firm I was on the price and I told him there might be a little wiggle room. He and his buddy come out look, hear it run, too icy to test drive and start the old this needs to be changed. Yada, yada, yada, and drops a $600 lower offer. I said let's step out in the drive and talk about it. We got in the drive, I hit the opener, said no and went inside. He knocking on the door waving the asking price in cash at me and I refused to sell it to him for being a dick.
I won't to deal with guys who think they're playin Gas Monkey. Flame away.
I wound up taking a Z28 in trade then sold it and came out better than selling it to the dick.
I won't to deal with guys who think they're playin Gas Monkey. Flame away.
I wound up taking a Z28 in trade then sold it and came out better than selling it to the dick.
Last edited by rizzo; Apr 20, 2013 at 09:58 AM.
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I sold a sporty a few months ago. Had the ad price at $3200 and priced fairly. A guys calls and asks how firm I was on the price and I told him there might be a little wiggle room. He and his buddy come out look, hear it run, too icy to test drive and start the old this needs to be changed. Yada, yada, yada, and drops a $600 lower offer. I said let's step out in the drive and talk about it. We got in the drive, I hit the opener, said no and went inside. He knocking on the door waving the asking price in cash at me and I refused to sell it to him for being a dick.
I won't to deal with guys who think they're playin Gas Monkey. Flame away.
I wound up taking a Z28 in trade then sold it and came out better than selling it to the dick.
I won't to deal with guys who think they're playin Gas Monkey. Flame away.
I wound up taking a Z28 in trade then sold it and came out better than selling it to the dick.
I am a confessed low baller---------I would of never knocked on your door after you denied my offer.I expect the same treatment when I sell something as my punishment.When I buy private treaty I allways want to be on the low end ---a wholesale level so if it has a issue I have some float built in.The one and only time I gave asking price was 2 weeks ago on a 2012 street glide with 297 miles on it-------the guy was all geared up but I looked at it and handed him a cashiers check---------I really wish I would of beat him just a bit though
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I sold a sporty a few months ago. Had the ad price at $3200 and priced fairly. A guys calls and asks how firm I was on the price and I told him there might be a little wiggle room. He and his buddy come out look, hear it run, too icy to test drive and start the old this needs to be changed. Yada, yada, yada, and drops a $600 lower offer. I said let's step out in the drive and talk about it. We got in the drive, I hit the opener, said no and went inside. He knocking on the door waving the asking price in cash at me and I refused to sell it to him for being a dick.
I won't to deal with guys who think they're playin Gas Monkey. Flame away.
I won't to deal with guys who think they're playin Gas Monkey. Flame away.
Rizzo, no disrespect, but if you had closed your garage door on me, I would have thought one of two things:
1. You're flaky, and not serious about selling your motorcycle.
OR
2. You're an emotional 12 year old girl trapped in a man's body that just got his feelings hurt.
Either way, you've just wasted my time, and aren't the type of person with whom I would care to conduct a business transaction.
I've got news for you, when the guy offered you $600 under your asking price, he wasn't being a "dick" or an "*******." He was trying to negotiate the best possible price he could, since it was you that said "there might be a little wiggle room." Seems reasonable to me. If his offer was unacceptable, why didn't you counteroffer with $3000, or some other price acceptable to you? Any motivated seller or smart businessperson would have done just that. I mean, did you want to sell the bike, or not?
Seriously, what did getting all butt hurt and insulted get you? A big NO SALE sign in Rizzo's personal cash register.
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I guess I just don't understand emotional sellers or buyers. This is business, not personal.
Rizzo, no disrespect, but if you had closed your garage door on me, I would have thought one of two things:
1. You're flaky, and not serious about selling your motorcycle.
OR
2. You're an emotional 12 year old girl trapped in a man's body that just got his feelings hurt.
Either way, you've just wasted my time, and aren't the type of person with whom I would care to conduct a business transaction.
I've got news for you, when the guy offered you $600 under your asking price, he wasn't being a "dick" or an "*******." He was trying to negotiate the best possible price he could, since it was you that said "there might be a little wiggle room." Seems reasonable to me. If his offer was unacceptable, why didn't you counteroffer with $3000, or some other price acceptable to you? Any motivated seller or smart businessperson would have done just that. I mean, did you want to sell the bike, or not?
Seriously, what did getting all butt hurt and insulted get you? A big NO SALE sign in Rizzo's personal cash register.
Rizzo, no disrespect, but if you had closed your garage door on me, I would have thought one of two things:
1. You're flaky, and not serious about selling your motorcycle.
OR
2. You're an emotional 12 year old girl trapped in a man's body that just got his feelings hurt.
Either way, you've just wasted my time, and aren't the type of person with whom I would care to conduct a business transaction.
I've got news for you, when the guy offered you $600 under your asking price, he wasn't being a "dick" or an "*******." He was trying to negotiate the best possible price he could, since it was you that said "there might be a little wiggle room." Seems reasonable to me. If his offer was unacceptable, why didn't you counteroffer with $3000, or some other price acceptable to you? Any motivated seller or smart businessperson would have done just that. I mean, did you want to sell the bike, or not?
Seriously, what did getting all butt hurt and insulted get you? A big NO SALE sign in Rizzo's personal cash register.
The buyer and I had an extensive discussion on the phone and I had sent him about 20 pics - I also gave him a list of what needed attention. It wasn't emotional, he knew EXACTLY what to expect when he got there and he wasted the time of both of us. He tried to jerk me around and it backfired. I didn't lose anything but my time.
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I advertised my bike for sale asking $8500.....1995 FLHTP 53k miles. And got it.......no negotiating.
I was offered a 6 sleeper cabin cruiser in trade....too bad I don't live near water........
I was offered a 6 sleeper cabin cruiser in trade....too bad I don't live near water........
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I am a confessed low baller---------I would of never knocked on your door after you denied my offer.I expect the same treatment when I sell something as my punishment.When I buy private treaty I allways want to be on the low end ---a wholesale level so if it has a issue I have some float built in.The one and only time I gave asking price was 2 weeks ago on a 2012 street glide with 297 miles on it-------the guy was all geared up but I looked at it and handed him a cashiers check---------I really wish I would of beat him just a bit though
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I respect you for that. This guy was just trying to be a bigshot and blew it. When I don't want to pay an advertised price, I'll tell the seller I feel like it's more than I want to pay and tell him if he decides to lower the price, I'd like to talk to him and leave him my number. It's surprising how well it works and it doesn't make the seller feel slighted.
pretty much what I do---------------most of the time I get the call before I am out of sight of the seller if he really wants to sell and has a need to sell.Sometimes it takes a week or two for the call but usually it would be half way where I needed to be.
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The buyer and I had an extensive discussion on the phone and I had sent him about 20 pics - I also gave him a list of what needed attention. It wasn't emotional, he knew EXACTLY what to expect when he got there and he wasted the time of both of us. He tried to jerk me around and it backfired. I didn't lose anything but my time.
I can get a pretty good idea if I want a bike from the pictures, but I've got to actually see it in person before I dig into my pocket. You can hide a lot of **** with a camera, and the right lighting. Regarding the price of the bike...whatever you're asking is just a starting point for negotiations, and with your self admitted "wiggle room," I thought his offer was a fair starting point in the negotiation process. Nothing disrespectful going on here, just business.
What you did by closing the garage door and walking away without so much as a counteroffer was about as an emotional response as you can get. I'm curious as to why you didn't counter his offer, or at the very least tell him that you couldn't accept anything less than the $3200 asking price? You were pissed off and insulted, weren't you? That's emotional.
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Each seller handles business different, no rule books to follow, no guidlelines, just the basic pick the product apart and tell the owner it needs all this work. It is assumed this seller should of made a counter offer why? I will assume with a $3600 Harley for sale, the seller was getting overwelmed with calls and each sellers version of wiggle room is his standards, not what others think it should be, he doesn't have to counter offer a low ball offer.
If shutting down a deal because of a low ball offer is a emotional 12 year girl, it is safe to say that 12 year old girl has a big set of nuts to not have to beg someone to purchase the item he or 12 year old girl is selling, the item belongs to the seller, they determine the selling price.
When the new bike riders purchase a bike from the dealership, dealers entertain offers and kiss buyers a$$es because it is a paycheck, if the Twinkie buyer doesn't get the deal he wants they go to another dealer and the butt kissing starts over but the bottom line is a instone price of what the dealer is going to sell the bike for and all of the bottom dollar offers in the world won't make a difference, they are hiding behind the numbers to get over the instone price and doing a cornhole with a smile.
I applaud the emotional 12 year girl with big nuts for a business deal that he didn't want to entertain because it was his product he was selling and wasn't willing to follow the normal I beat you down, you give me the bike cheap routine. Making the almighty dollar is the goal of a business transaction, not kissing the buyers a$$
If shutting down a deal because of a low ball offer is a emotional 12 year girl, it is safe to say that 12 year old girl has a big set of nuts to not have to beg someone to purchase the item he or 12 year old girl is selling, the item belongs to the seller, they determine the selling price.
When the new bike riders purchase a bike from the dealership, dealers entertain offers and kiss buyers a$$es because it is a paycheck, if the Twinkie buyer doesn't get the deal he wants they go to another dealer and the butt kissing starts over but the bottom line is a instone price of what the dealer is going to sell the bike for and all of the bottom dollar offers in the world won't make a difference, they are hiding behind the numbers to get over the instone price and doing a cornhole with a smile.
I applaud the emotional 12 year girl with big nuts for a business deal that he didn't want to entertain because it was his product he was selling and wasn't willing to follow the normal I beat you down, you give me the bike cheap routine. Making the almighty dollar is the goal of a business transaction, not kissing the buyers a$$
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Yeah, I've bought and sold several motorcycles over the years. I've found that lot of people become severely offended when selling their motorcycles or cars. I find that many sellers seem to have a deep down need for the buyer to kiss their butts, not as much the other way around. Many feel that all the mods they have done to their bikes/cars make them much more valuable than another of the same year and miles. This is only the case if the buyer has the exact same tastes as the seller.....which is extremely rare.
When I make an offer, I tend to take the time to explain this reality to the seller. I will tell him that although you may someday find someone who is willing to pay retail for your motorcycle, I have this cash right now, and am ready for the purchase.....no BS. The seller then has the opportunity to give me a counter offer, say he'll think about it and call me, or instead, get red-faced and throw me off of his property.
Unless their criteria is hard to fill due to preference or rarity of a certain model or year, most buyers have other bikes to view, so usually they don't seem to get upset if the deal doesn't go their way. Although there are times when the seller lies to the buyer about the bike's condition, this wastes the buyer's time and usually results in a low-ball offer......which then results in a pissed off seller who got his ego tarnished, and so the cycle continues.
When I make an offer, I tend to take the time to explain this reality to the seller. I will tell him that although you may someday find someone who is willing to pay retail for your motorcycle, I have this cash right now, and am ready for the purchase.....no BS. The seller then has the opportunity to give me a counter offer, say he'll think about it and call me, or instead, get red-faced and throw me off of his property.
Unless their criteria is hard to fill due to preference or rarity of a certain model or year, most buyers have other bikes to view, so usually they don't seem to get upset if the deal doesn't go their way. Although there are times when the seller lies to the buyer about the bike's condition, this wastes the buyer's time and usually results in a low-ball offer......which then results in a pissed off seller who got his ego tarnished, and so the cycle continues.